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==BoyWiki for boys?==
Has anyone made any efforts to make at least parts of BoyWiki be designed to meet the needs and requirements of actual boys, as in children, and on their terms? __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 18:28, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
: I am not sure what you have in mind and remember that anything that remotely can be called "grooming" is illegal, esp. in the UK. Keep in mind that we are limited on what we can do under the BL banner.--[[User:Etenne|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne|talk]]) 19:13, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
::What about those boys associated with NAMBLA? I mean, aren't there ANY young people in this community/movement? Because if that's the case, then all claims of wanting to represent the boys' side in this becomes kinda moot, as in self-serving wishful thinking… __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 19:32, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
::: BoyWiki is not representative, or the voice of any movement. But I understand what you are saying, but you have to understand that what was possible 30 years ago is not possible today. Do I really need to list the reasons why? --[[User:Etenne|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne|talk]]) 19:42, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
::::Hmmm… I wonder if '''Lysander''' would have any creative (or constructive) opinions on this matter. Anyway, I posted this also at [http://boychat.org/messages/1460685.htm BoyChat]. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 19:44, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::This reminds me, we should install [[mediawikiwiki:Extension:Echo]] so that it'll be possible to ping people. Anyway, ChildWiki was designed to at least give lip service to kids' liberating themselves, although they would need help from adults to do so. There may already be kids editing, or posting to BoyChat, but perhaps they don't proclaim their age to the world, lest people treat them worse for doing so. I know when I was younger, I didn't usually reveal my age online, because I didn't want people acting condescending toward me, or dismissing what I had to say as just the result of a phase I was going through.
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:::::What about the [http://childwiki.org/wiki/Youth_Rights_Network Youth Rights Network]; they had a lot of teenagers in their movement, some of whom may have been editors of the wiki. See their article on the [https://web.archive.org/web/20110701111323/http://youthrights.net/index.php?title=Age_of_consent age of consent]. By the way, if you find that some of their content hasn't been archived as of a certain date, you might want to try another date. [[User:Lysander|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander|talk]]) 20:16, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::I like the idea of an integrated portal, and a simple wiki. The only thing is how different would the simple wiki be. I feel some of the more 'explicit' articles shouldn't be put into simple language, as that might cause suspicion/be threatening to this site at the very least. At the very worst, like Etenne said, someone might accuse this site of grooming. [[User:Hikari|Hikari]] ([[User talk:Hikari|talk]]) 22:06, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::And then what would come of that? [[User:Lysander|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander|talk]]) 22:49, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::::BoyWiki might be taken down? [[User:Hikari|Hikari]] ([[User talk:Hikari|talk]]) 22:55, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

==Sandbox==
<blockquote>''This discussion originally started at and has been moved from [[User:Meco/Sandbox]]''</blockquote>
I know it is trivial but we need to come up with a better name then "Sandbox", something more BL related. Every time I see "Sandbox", I picture a cat going to the bathroom :) --[[User:Etenne|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne|talk]]) 17:34, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
:Trial and error page? But isn't this standard terminology throughout the wiki world? Also, with our focus on young people, it would seem that ''sandbox'' (or ''sandpit'') is a particularly appropriate term… __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 18:26, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
::I was thinking more along the lines of [[Palaestra]] --[[User:Etenne|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne|talk]]) 19:07, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
:::Think practical, usability, findability… __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 19:29, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
:::"Palaestra" implies more than one person is involved; playing in a sandbox can be solitary. However, "sandbox" also has LBL (as opposed to TBL) connotations. [[User:Lysander|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander|talk]]) 20:03, 19 November 2015 (UTC)