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| I wonder if there's any reason not to migrate BoyWiki's content over to Wikibooks? Perhaps a "Boylove" book could be created, with the content arranged hierarchically in subpages. I recently created a bunch of suicide-related subpages under [[wikibooks:Suicide#Methods]], and the objections to the content were overruled, in contrast to how the situation was handled over at Wikiversity (see [https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:Suicide wikiversity:Talk:Suicide]). I'm going to ask around and see what the reception would likely be. Thanks, [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 01:38, 25 October 2014 (CEST)
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| :I don't have any problems whith the content being added to wikibooks however I would not want you to do all that work for something that just gets deleted.--[[User:Etenne|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne|talk]]) 13:55, 25 October 2014 (CEST)
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| ::I think what I'll do instead is narrow my focus to child pornography. I'll work on the book in userspace here, and then copy and paste it over to Wikibooks when it's in decent shape. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 23:41, 28 October 2014 (CET)
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| It seems like NewgonWiki's becoming an archive created kind of a hole in wiki coverage, in that there's nothing in the wikisphere covering intergenerational relationships with adolescent girls, which is ironic since that may be the group of minors to which the largest number of adults feel a romantic or sexual attraction.. I suppose that in retrospect, I should've called ChildWiki "YouthWiki" or something, so that it would cover adolescents as well as children. "Boy" is a term that covers pretty much any male from 0-17 (and even beyond, sometimes; people speak of "college boys" and, although I'm 34, my ex called me a "white boy"). "Child" usually refers to prepubescents; adolescents would probably dislike being called "children" and people who have relationships with them would probably not regard it as "adult-child sex". There could be "adult-youth" sex, I guess. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 21:24, 7 November 2014 (CET) | | ==To all users== |
| :I suppose you could always add other Wikis to Childwiki in the same way you would add a different language wiki and sort of have a Childlove hub:) Or are you thinking about renaming it to something more encompassing? BTW, your server runs kind of slow. Also can it be accessed using https?--[[User:Etenne|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne|talk]]) 21:46, 7 November 2014 (CET)
| | It would be a good idea to review this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view |
| ::Yeah, I use DreamHost, and even though I have a VPS, object caching [http://wiki.dreamhost.com/MediaWiki#Caching isn't available]. I don't have https; I guess I'd need to [http://wiki.dreamhost.com/Secure_Hosting buy an IP address] for that. I could probably get a better hosting solution from some other company; I just use DreamHost to avoid censorship.
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| ::I could name it something more encompassing but the problem with "YouthWiki" is that people might assume that excludes prepubescents, since the youth rights movement typically has only focused on adolescents. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 22:39, 7 November 2014 (CET)
| | In short, the neutrality of point of view leads to an objective, "scientific" discourse, whereas non-neutrality leads to one-sided views and propaganda. |
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| ::: I don't have any ideas for names off the top of my head right now but perhaps you could make a post to GirlChat and they could come up with something. (as well as perhaps attract some users:) --[[User:Etenne|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne|talk]]) 14:15, 8 November 2014 (CET)
| | An important point is perhaps to understand that specific sympathies are not incompatible with a neutral point of view: you can like a country, a person, an amorous preference, and nevertheless be able of an objective discourse about it. |
| ::::I notice that efforts to create and sustain a reasonably large, active GirlWiki failed miserably. The BLs are putting the GLs to shame, as usual. :) 1,000+ articles is pretty good for a non-WMF wiki. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 19:48, 8 November 2014 (CET)
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| :::::Thanks for the compliments but I feel we can do better:) Plus many of those pages are related to the calender template and chronology. However, I am not dissatisfied with the progress we have been making. I would guess that the difference comes from Boylove having a longer history than girllove in that up until quite recently, girllove was perhaps considered a normal variant of heterosexuality whereas pederasty has almost always been considered as exotic.--[[User:Etenne|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne|talk]]) 21:05, 8 November 2014 (CET)
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| | Only objectivity is credible. That's why it is vital for BoyWiki. We don't "promote", we explain and illustrate. --[[User:Etenne|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne|talk]]) 12:25, 4 March 2015 (UTC) |
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| I gotta find a new server, I think. I currently have a DreamHost VPS, and not only is it slow, but it doesn't even load sometimes because it runs out of memory. (Memory costs 5 cents/month per megabyte; right now I'm paying $15/month for 300MB.) Problem is, I got kicked off of HostMonster because someone filed a report of "adult content" (because of text, not pictures). Know any good free speech webhosts? I tried NearlyFreeSpeech.NET, but there a number of technical problems associated with that host (including the fact that PHP has to be run in [[mediawikiwiki:safe mode|safe mode]]). Thanks, [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 01:28, 12 November 2014 (CET)
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| :I will look into it. Email me @ etenne@boywiki.org
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| ::I increased the amount of memory a bit, so it's working somewhat better now. Still crashes pretty much daily, but then restarts. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 21:20, 21 November 2014 (CET)
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| WikiIndex deleted the articles on [[BoyWiki]], [[ChildWiki]], [[Newgon Wiki]], and [[ChildPorn.info]], among other wikis. See http://wikiindex.org/WikiIndex_talk:Community_portal#We_need_to_have_a_community_discussion_about_Nathania.2FNathan_Larson.2FUser:Leucosticte . It seems to me that most wikis that don't have a strong, benevolent dictator end up going down the path WikiIndex is going. They start out being tolerant and inclusive, and then a new cadre of sysops comes into power, after the old guard has left, and sweeps away the users and content that are considered undesirable. One of the sysops there, Hoof Hearted, who had for a long time been the most active user on the wiki, had [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Abd&curid=42613&diff=177267&oldid=177257 defended] me and my content in the past, but I think his health has been suffering or he's otherwise been less active than before. He hasn't edited in months.
| | # '''Dose this have a cultural or historical [[BoyWiki:Relevance policy|relavance to boylove]]?''' |
| | # '''By posting this are you going to make Etenne lose sleep?''' |
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| Anyway, it's sad to see them abandoning neutrality on these controversial topics, especially due to pressure from [[RationalWiki]]. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 19:18, 21 November 2014 (CET)
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| :Not surprising. Even if they wanted to be more open, it's easy to give in to the pressure since they really don't have a horse in this race. It is easy to turn your head and not see what is right before your eyes.... at least until General Patton comes along and makes you take a walk through the death camps and bury the bodies :) --[[User:Etenne|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne|talk]]) 23:40, 22 November 2014 (CET)
| | The convention for naming pages is that articles should be singular whereas categories should be plural. |
| ::So, those who don't have a horse in the race don't care, and therefore give in to whatever side makes the most fuss or threatens to make them look bad; and those who do have a horse in the race are considered disqualified from voicing their opinion because they're a bunch of dirty pedophiles with a conflict of interest in the matter. On the other hand, if those who make their living prosecuting child porn offenses, providing government- and defendant-funded treatment to the "victims", and so on, voice their opinions, it's assumed that their motives are pure. Nice. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 01:00, 23 November 2014 (CET)
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| ::Someone recently [http://wikiindex.org/index.php?title=WikiIndex_talk%3AProhibited_content&diff=186963&oldid=186957 wrote], "Sites that discuss the normalization of child porn and pedophilia are fine in a neutral context, but they tilt heavily in the interest of illegal acts when they start arguing for it, and since I don't believe it is ethically or legally sensible to provide links to sites that argue for the incitement of criminal acts minus any caveats about exercising legal restraint, and having seen BoyWiki and Newgon Wiki, they are only concerned with help pedophiles hide themselves from the law, which is why I would oppose them without question." [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 18:51, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
| | *Names of topics and topic categories should be singular, normally corresponding to the name of a BoyWiki. article. Examples: "Law" (which represents a body of knowledge), "France", "George W. Bush". |
| :::Someone should inform this guy that simply existing and being a pedophile is not against any law. Of course, I would like to challenge this person as to exactly which entry/entries it is talking about since I do not see anything on BoyWiki beyond basic internet security which is a good idea for everyone. I suppose that as long as no one fact-checks his lies that he is good. --[[User:Etenne|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne|talk]]) 12:01, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
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| I got this message on Quora today: | | However, I am willing to hear counter arguments to this practice or suggestions before deciding what the policy should be --[[User:Etenne|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne|talk]]) 13:17, 25 March 2015 (UTC) |
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| | :Just yesterday I noticed that Wikipedia has categories with a singular title, e.g. [[wikipedia:Category:Vagina]]. Also, there are some plural article titles, e.g.[[wikipedia:Jews]]. [[User:Lysander|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander|talk]]) 15:13, 25 March 2015 (UTC) |
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| You are being blocked for one month because your questions, in aggregate, are creating a hostile pattern of content that many users are reporting as harassing and hostile to certain groups of people. | | ::You can't figure out what those two (obvious, at least, to me) errors are due to? Uh... You certainly make up in glibness what you lack in perspicacity. [[User:User4|User4]] ([[User talk:User4|talk]]) 02:37, 26 March 2015 (UTC) |
| | :::Enlighten me. [[User:Lysander|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander|talk]]) 03:16, 26 March 2015 (UTC) |
| | ::::Hey! You didn't enlighten me about what those two errors are due to. [[User:Lysander|Lysander]] ([[User talk:Lysander|talk]]) 04:10, 28 March 2015 (UTC) |
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| These are the type of questions which are considered problematic:<br/>
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| - Does the illegal possession and distribution of child pornography encourage people to abuse children so they can create porn for others' use?<br/>
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| - If you're an adult, is it illegal to, via the Internet, ask a minor you met online to meet you somewhere, if you don't make any suggestions or proposals of a sexual nature?<br/>
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| Quora is very committed to ensuring it is a safe and welcoming place for all good contributors and we require that users are judicious when asking questions that could be perceived as sexist, racist or harmful to minors.
| | I was glad to read your message on BoyChat and to see you're back. Then I thought: is there any hope left that the French BoyWiki will survive? :-/ |
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| | Bron disappeared, I don't know when, why nor where. So did the French tech Pinocchio, which is a great loss. Some rare contributors obstinately continued creating pages on the French wiki between 2015 and 2019. But now I think they are disheartened because of the recent and sudden software change, that ruined all the formatting we had made on a lot of pages (thanks to Pinocchio's coding extensions). |
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| I was a bit disappointed, since Quora seemed like one of the few mainstream online communities in which it was still safe to ask edgy questions. It seems like feminists don't really want a debate; they want to shut down the opposing side of the debate. We have places like BoyWiki we can go to, but then people de-list those sites from indexes like WikiIndex to make it harder to find.
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| I don't see admins of sites like Quora being "very committed to ensuring it is a safe and welcoming place" for dissidents. I wonder why people don't see it as dangerous in any way to suppress minority viewpoints. They focus on the dangers of allowing those views to be heard. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 23:19, 15 December 2014 (UTC) | | If you can be of some help, I'd like to write more to you through a secure mailbox. |
| :Do you think that continuing to have a page about them on BoyWiki is desirable given the circumstances? --[[User:Etenne|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne|talk]]) 13:30, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
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| ::As criticism, maybe. Kinda like how [[Evil-Unveiled]] had pages about BoyWiki and its users, for purposes of criticism. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 21:01, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
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| | [[User:Caprineus|Caprineus]] ([[User talk:Caprineus|talk]]) 21:28, 13 June 2021 (UTC) |
| Someone writes, "I just finished a book about a young teen growing up in South Africa. He goes to a boarding school where he gets in a relationship with one of the teachers. A key is found that the teacher gave the boy. At first the boy lies to protect the teacher but when the story falls apart the boy ends up telling the truth -- not everything, but enough. The boy continues to defend the teacher, even saying it was his fault the relationship got started. The interrogator then switches and even gets angry that the boy does not see himself as the victim. In the end the boy gives in and repeats that he was abused. It struck me that once the boy relented and became the 'victim' he gave his empowerment away not to the teacher but the interrogator. The teacher actually empowered the boy by letting him choose how the relationship progressed but the interrogator took that empowerment away and used the empowerment for himself to take control of the boy and the teacher."
| | :I categorized all the daily pages of the French Agora, from December 7, 2008 to July 9, 2014 (most of them were difficult to find before this categorization): [https://www.boywiki.org/fr/Cat%C3%A9gorie:Agora Agora] |
| | :Now everybody can see the really tough job that had been made by many contributors of the French BoyWiki, especially by the tech Pinocchio. It is not acceptable that such a job is destroyed after every update or server change, as exposed here: [https://www.boywiki.org/fr/BoyWiki:Agora/28_septembre_2020 Modifications intempestives] (written more than eight months ago – nobody even bothered to answer). |
| | :But do French-speaking writings matter?... :-/ |
| | :[[User:Caprineus|Caprineus]] ([[User talk:Caprineus|talk]]) 13:55, 19 June 2021 (UTC) |
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| It kinda reminds me of the new ad campaign that's been on TV asking for donations to teach young people that they should tell on any adult who engages in sexual touching with them. This training is said to produce strong, empowered youth. [[User:Leucosticte|Leucosticte]] ([[User talk:Leucosticte|talk]]) 00:30, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
| | :"But do French-speaking writings matter?" Well, I suppose that depends on who you ask. I would hope they matter to other French-speaking people and writers. I still don't have e-mail yet. Yeah, the upgrades do mess things up a bit but there is no way around that. |
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| If you have it, I'd like to get in touch with him. Please don't put it here - I don't think it should be made public without his permission - you could e-mail it to me, if you have it, OK? Thanks.
| | ::The true problem is: when Wikipedia runs an update of MediaWiki, all features already installed are kept and perform correctly; but when BoyWiki is updated, almost all features created by a tech are suppressed. Why? |
| [[user4]] | | ::This is not "messing things up a bit", but destroying things a lot. :-( As I said before, when contributors see this, they are disheartened. |
| | ::I hope you can contact somebody who steps in on this wrong update process. As for me, I know nobody, and can do nothing: my only competence is to write about cultural boy-love topics. If "there is no way around" to keep my job in a good state and appearance, well... I will finally recognize that I was wrong to spend so much time and energy for it. :-((( |
| | ::[[User:Caprineus|Caprineus]] ([[User talk:Caprineus|talk]]) 22:48, 20 June 2021 (UTC) |
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| ==Where to put links to other sites that have good information?==
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| Do we have a general "links" page, to put links to good sites? If so, where?
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| For example, this is a good page:
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| http://web.archive.org/web/20131006162550/http://agetaboo.org/
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| [[User:User4|User4]] ([[User talk:User4|talk]]) 06:43, 22 February 2015 (UTC) | | Hello [[User:Etenne|Etenne]] |
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| :[http://www.boylinks.net/ Boylinks maybe ?] I don't know. Links mainly correspond to an entry however maybe if you take a look at Wikipedia and see if they have something comparable, we could figure out a format for doing that. --[[User:Etenne|Etenne]] ([[User talk:Etenne|talk]]) 08:55, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
| | I will be posting under this header any message I have for your consideration, I will delete old messages to make it more readable. |
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| ==Newly added articles==
| | --[[User:Eskimo|Eskimo]] ([[User talk:Eskimo|talk]]) 12:48, 27 October 2022 (UTC) |
| When people come to the site, we can use the (very frustrating) technique that supermarkets often use - they move things around, or introduce new items, which then forces the customers to search the whole place to find things. This makes the customers buy more products, even though it makes the customers very unhappy sometimes.
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| | :: yes you were absolutely right, that worked. Now, any guesses on getting Extension:TimedMediaHandler to work? |
| | [[Etenne]] [[File:BLSmileyface.png|40 px|link=Etenne]] 20:32, 20 June 2022 (UTC) |
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| Sure - we have the "recent changes" category, but that is confusing, and difficult to peruse.
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| How about a page which lists ''only new articles'', perhaps by date of creation (most-recent first)? I'll bet our visitors would ''really'' appreciate that!
| | Regarding getting Extension:TimedMediaHandler to work, can you post an example page or description of what the problem is? I can spend sometime on the Internet trying to track it down and report back if I find anything replicated. |
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| What do you think? Should we make it ''very difficult'' for returning visitors to read our new articles, or make should we make it ''easy'' for them?
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| | Hi Etenne, I am happy that you are happy with my work! I know that I can put pages into categories! |
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To all users
It would be a good idea to review this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view
In short, the neutrality of point of view leads to an objective, "scientific" discourse, whereas non-neutrality leads to one-sided views and propaganda.
An important point is perhaps to understand that specific sympathies are not incompatible with a neutral point of view: you can like a country, a person, an amorous preference, and nevertheless be able of an objective discourse about it.
Only objectivity is credible. That's why it is vital for BoyWiki. We don't "promote", we explain and illustrate. --Etenne (talk) 12:25, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
Please ask yourself before hitting the post button
- Dose this have a cultural or historical relavance to boylove?
- By posting this are you going to make Etenne lose sleep?
To all BoyWiki users:Naming
The convention for naming pages is that articles should be singular whereas categories should be plural.
- Names of topics and topic categories should be singular, normally corresponding to the name of a BoyWiki. article. Examples: "Law" (which represents a body of knowledge), "France", "George W. Bush".
- Names of set categories should be plural. Examples: "Writers", "Villages in Poland".
However, I am willing to hear counter arguments to this practice or suggestions before deciding what the policy should be --Etenne (talk) 13:17, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
- Just yesterday I noticed that Wikipedia has categories with a singular title, e.g. wikipedia:Category:Vagina. Also, there are some plural article titles, e.g.wikipedia:Jews. Lysander (talk) 15:13, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
- You can't figure out what those two (obvious, at least, to me) errors are due to? Uh... You certainly make up in glibness what you lack in perspicacity. User4 (talk) 02:37, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
- Enlighten me. Lysander (talk) 03:16, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
- Hey! You didn't enlighten me about what those two errors are due to. Lysander (talk) 04:10, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
Welcome back
I was glad to read your message on BoyChat and to see you're back. Then I thought: is there any hope left that the French BoyWiki will survive? :-/
Bron disappeared, I don't know when, why nor where. So did the French tech Pinocchio, which is a great loss. Some rare contributors obstinately continued creating pages on the French wiki between 2015 and 2019. But now I think they are disheartened because of the recent and sudden software change, that ruined all the formatting we had made on a lot of pages (thanks to Pinocchio's coding extensions).
Now it seems that the Council's page doesn't work anymore -- or am I wrong?
If you can be of some help, I'd like to write more to you through a secure mailbox.
Caprineus (talk) 21:28, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
- I categorized all the daily pages of the French Agora, from December 7, 2008 to July 9, 2014 (most of them were difficult to find before this categorization): Agora
- Now everybody can see the really tough job that had been made by many contributors of the French BoyWiki, especially by the tech Pinocchio. It is not acceptable that such a job is destroyed after every update or server change, as exposed here: Modifications intempestives (written more than eight months ago – nobody even bothered to answer).
- But do French-speaking writings matter?... :-/
- Caprineus (talk) 13:55, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
- "But do French-speaking writings matter?" Well, I suppose that depends on who you ask. I would hope they matter to other French-speaking people and writers. I still don't have e-mail yet. Yeah, the upgrades do mess things up a bit but there is no way around that.
- Etenne
- Thank you for answering.
- The true problem is: when Wikipedia runs an update of MediaWiki, all features already installed are kept and perform correctly; but when BoyWiki is updated, almost all features created by a tech are suppressed. Why?
- This is not "messing things up a bit", but destroying things a lot. :-( As I said before, when contributors see this, they are disheartened.
- I hope you can contact somebody who steps in on this wrong update process. As for me, I know nobody, and can do nothing: my only competence is to write about cultural boy-love topics. If "there is no way around" to keep my job in a good state and appearance, well... I will finally recognize that I was wrong to spend so much time and energy for it. :-(((
- Caprineus (talk) 22:48, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
- Etenne
Messages from Eskimo
Hello Etenne
I will be posting under this header any message I have for your consideration, I will delete old messages to make it more readable.
--Eskimo (talk) 12:48, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
- yes you were absolutely right, that worked. Now, any guesses on getting Extension:TimedMediaHandler to work?
Etenne 
20:32, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Hello Etenne
Regarding getting Extension:TimedMediaHandler to work, can you post an example page or description of what the problem is? I can spend sometime on the Internet trying to track it down and report back if I find anything replicated.
--Eskimo (talk) 13:35, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
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Hi Etenne, I am happy that you are happy with my work! I know that I can put pages into categories!
Gimli2001
