Talk:Etenne

Those papers should be of interest to you, as they contain info relevant to your posts on BC as well as BoyWiki articles. I am not really asking anything...

EJ801193.pdf describes who benefits from pedosteria, and quotes from the other materials I linked to.

The_Cost_of_Homophobia discusses the suffering of gays from homophobia, and closely parallels pedo's problems - you can substitute "pedo" for "homosexual" in much of the article and it describes our problems exactly.

Interesting pic here. Maybe you can track down the artist? https://anonfiles.com/file/36c22cd21c9249e8e005a7b074ce3475

I call it, "Child with flower" but that is surely not it's real name.

User4 16:08, 6 March 2014 (GMT)

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BTW... there free are tools on the Web which (supposedly) take HTML markup and convert it to Wiki markup.

Check the links here:

https://www.google.de/search?hl=de&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=online+convert+html+wiki+markup

I don't know if they work, how well they work, etc. You'll have to try them. They might make some of your "conversions" easier.

Hope you are feeling better.

Don't take certain stuff too seriously, OK? ;-)

User4 04:17, 7 March 2014 (GMT)

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This one is quite cool and seems to work http://bmanolov.free.fr/html2wiki-tables.php#wiki

--Etenne 13:08, 8 March 2014 (GMT)

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RE: bmanolov.free.fr HTML to WIKI markup translation:

I don't see it working at all - I tested it on some HTML, and it did nothing. Maybe javascript being disabled in my browser is the problem? When you tested it, did you really notice changes made to the text you entered in the "to convert" field? I didn't see any.

RE: Witch Hunt in UK

... that you posted about.

If you look at the other articles the author has published, it is clear that she is a demented "child saver" (she has a 15-year-old girl to "protect").

http://www.express.co.uk/search/Sonia+Poulton?s=Sonia+Poulton&b=1

I wonder if Sonia Poulton could be educated in the facts about CL? Perhaps she should be contacted by someone knowledgeable, and made aware of a few things? Could Bernie do that?

Oh - one more thing. Did you recently get an email from me? Please confirm if you did or did not. You may choose to ignore my emails - that's your prerogative, and OK with me(?), but I would like to know if someone else is intercepting and deleting email sent to you. If so, I won't bother to email you any more.

User4 13:19, 9 March 2014 (GMT)

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Yes, when I tried it, it worked fine and changed the text from HTML to Wiki markup.

Re: Sonia Poulton... You can't have a discussion with these types of fanatics. Pas vaut la peine.

Yes, I got your email but that is one thing you should know about me. I am slow to respond, I don't like writing letters, or talking on the phone. I use to have a house phone but it was a waste because I refused to answer the thing. I do respond to my email, it just takes me a long time because I need to be really bored and in the mood. --Etenne 13:46, 9 March 2014 (GMT)

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Yes, when I tried it, it worked fine and changed the text from HTML to Wiki markup.

That may save you a lot of time and effort, not to mention headaches, no?

Uh, so, hmm... 'you're welcome'? Sheesh...

User4 21:01, 9 March 2014 (GMT)

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I will let you know when I actually use it for something if it makes my life more enjoyable, fulfilled, and meaningful P~

So how are you coming along on learning to wiki?

--Etenne 11:15, 10 March 2014 (GMT)

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So how are you coming along on learning to wiki?

I'm in the middle of a lot of other things which are more important to me at this point. So many articles at BW need work that I don't really know where to begin. Of course, the place to start that is probably the most important is to make editing easy for new "scribes". I started that, but then got distracted by the other things I am working on elsewhere. Good, important stuff IMHO. Sorry about that. P~

I will let you know when I actually use it for something if it makes my life more enjoyable, fulfilled, and meaningful P~

You do that, OK? Like, I know you can't 'foresee the future' on the usefulness of that tool. P~

User4 21:01, 2 March 2214 (GMT)

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You should check this out:

http://wikiwig.sourceforge.net/

WYSIWYG means "what you see is what you get"

If you can install this, editing should be a breeze for new editors.

OK, OK - now for your excuses about "I can't because... It is too difficult because... I don't want to because... etc. etc.

Come on, dude - if you had this, then new "scribes" (gawd, how I hate that term!) would be able to quickly and easily edit BW pages.

Now, tell me how that would not be useful! P~

Now I'm back to looking for an "online wiki WYSIWYG editor" because waiting for BW pages to re-load is so so so fucking slow!

User4 20:28, 17 March 2014 (GMT)

There is also this:

https://userscripts.org/scripts/show/12529

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Cacycle/wikEd

... but it needs javascript enabled in your browser, which some do not like.

And this:

Create and format a document in Word as before, choose File – > Save As and select MediaWiki* under file types. Word will now convert and save the document in Wiki style markup. The add-in is supported on Microsoft Office Word 2007 and Office 2010.

http://www.labnol.org/software/wysiwyg-wiki-editor/18062/

... and this:

Alternatively, you can use any HTML editor – like Dreamweaver or Live Writer – and then convert your HTML tags into Wiki markup using that HTML to WIKI markup tool I introduced

User4 19:26, 17 March 2014 (GMT)

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What we need is this:

An "editing help" file that can be kept open in another tab or window, which has the possible markup in a TOC with a link to the section describing it, and a "return" link to the TOC.

Or do we have that already?

(... 5 minutes later)

I just went looking for "editing help". I know you gave me info on it, but I don't remember where. I tried under the help category, but it is not there. I checked under special categories but it is not there. I'm sure I can find it, but let me tell you - the average "scribe" would give up much sooner than I would! And then you'd be left with "one less scribe". People don't want to go on wild-goose chases. They want things easy to find, readily accessible, at their fingertips.

That is what wiki software is supposed to do!!!

Why doesn't BW work that way?

(... 5 minutes later)

I found what I had added:

https://en.boywiki.org/wiki/Full_list_of_wiki_markup_notation

I'll guess at a correct link:

Full_list_of_wiki_markup_notation

(NOTE: If I had what I'm talking about, I would not NEED to guess.)

It needs to have the extraneous info removed (Egyptian characters? We are unlikely to need those), put the markup code within the text, then have a "back to TOC" link for each one.

User4 12:49, 18 March 2014 (GMT)

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I am not sure what you are asking. If you are asking if you can create a link to a section on a different page you can MORE JUNK #History or This is a link to a section.

You have been adding a lot of stuff, perhaps it time you start to put it together into a complete page?

--Etenne 10:10, 19 March 2014 (GMT)

I am not sure what you are asking. If you are asking if you can create a link to a section on a different page you can MORE JUNK #History or This is a link to a section.

Great! Now, how do you make a link to go BACK to the place the link started - like Wikipedia does in its references?

I tried to figure out how they do it. Not very successfully...

<code>HTML version <code><a name="anchor">REF ONE</a> <code><a ref="TextFormattingRules#anchor"> <code>FOR BACK, TRY THIS: <code><a name="BACKREFONE">BACK REF ONE</a> <code><a ref="TextFormattingRules#BACKREFONE"> <code><nowiki>FOR WIKI: <code>[#anchor] <code>which can be referred to with any of the linking methods, per the examples below. <code>You can not use the minus or hypen character (i.e. "-") in the anchor name, e.g. "[#N888_7_2_1]" works ok, while <code>"[#N888-7-2-1]" does not <code>Wiki link: <a ref="TextFormattingRules#anchor">

I GIVE UP ON TRYING TO MAKE SEPARATE LINES OF THE ABOVE!!!! MAYBE DOUBLE-SPACED WILL WORK!!! WHERE IS THE GODDAMN HELP PAGE!!!

EXAMPLE OF WHAT I MEAN:

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah *CLICK TO SKIP TO FOOTNOTE 1*

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah *CLICK TO SKIP TO FOOTNOTE 2* blah blah blah blah blah

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

• CLICK HERE TO "SKIP BACK" TO TEXT* *HERE IS THE FOOTNOTE 1*

• CLICK HERE TO "SKIP BACK" TO TEXT* *HERE IS THE FOOTNOTE 2*

User4 23:24, 19 March 2014 (GMT)

Let's see. There are a number of "steps" necessary for a wiki to have good content. First, there must be the basic information, which someone has to search for and find. Then a "basic" entry must be made, then the entry has to be "prettied up" with correct wiki markup, then it must be proofread, and then it is "finished" (barring the addition of new information).

Now, which of the above steps requires a great deal of patience, skill, and (perhaps) some unusual abilities?

• Proofreading for errors?

• Prettying up the entry with markup?

• Making the "basic" entry?

• Or locating good material which could be included in the wiki?

A "technician" can do the proofreading. He can do the "prettying up". He can do all the "donkey work".

But finding the stuff for inclusion - now that takes something unusual, doesn't it? And without which, none of the "technicians" would have anything to do.

Sure - all the steps are important. But having a record of a good site with a link to it, or having some important material (even in HTML markup, or otherwise deficient) is the first (and arguably, the most important) step, wouldn't you agree?

For example, someone might start a page, and include a link to an (unusual, because it is "boylove friendly") Encyclopedia of Homosexuality, then others could put descriptions of, and links to, the important, relevant articles.

N'est-ce pas? ;- )

User4 23:24, 19 March 2014 (GMT)

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If I understand what you are asking, it is possible. Look at the source of this page Somersault's HTML Guide, the little hand.gif sends you back to the TOC. It's just tedious and a pain in the ass to do.

--Etenne 12:13, 20 March 2014 (GMT)

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It should be abundantly clear what I have been doing in the:

Test_hyperlink_backup

... (which is the one I'm working on because of an "editing conflict" error) wiki markup "help" file. I am making it so that even your everyday garden-variety idiot should be able to understand how to do common wiki markup.

How about you or another of the scribblers "scribes" here doing some work on it? There are notes in the file indicating things which need doing.

I'm tired...

One thing that needs doing quickly is moving the "special character" section to somewhere else, and fixing the tables in it, and then putting a link to the new fixed file.

In the wiki markup "help" file there should only be the most common symbols that a scribbler "scribe" would need, right?

User4 02:53, 24 March 2014 (GMT)

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BTW - I zeroed-out the contents of the entry:

TEST HYPERLINK

because there was an "editing conflict" and I had to save the file again.

It is now superseded by the:

Test_hyperlink_backup

... which is the one I am working on now. D~

User4 03:07, 24 March 2014 (GMT)

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Some stuff I have recently saved should have links added to this page:

https://en.boywiki.org/wiki/Help:Editing

Eventually...

User4 07:16, 24 March 2014 (GMT)

--- Feel free to edit Help:Editing that page need a lot of work anyways. I still need you to tell me which pages you don't need anymore like:

• MORE JUNK‎
• Testwikiconversion
• Encylopedia of Homosexuality are you going to expand this page?

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Uh, aside from the possible "irritation" of having some incomplete - or even unnecessary - pages sitting around, I, uh, well - what's the hurry? Like, those pages are causing some kind of harm or something?

Couldn't you just let me get to them in my own good time?

I would prefer that...

Sheesh...

Oh, take a look at:

Test_hyperlink_backup

... and why don't you see about fixing some things in it? It is not that far from being finished, I think.

I think also that anybody new here would be very happy to have the page to refer to, even as it is now, with some junk in it... ;- )

User4 11:01, 24 March 2014 (GMT)

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If you run into an editing conflict again, just hit save a second time and it will overwrite it.

Part of the reason some of this stuff has not been updated in years is because I find writing "help pages" tedious and dull. I will try to review some of the pages but when it comes to this boring technical stuff, it doesn't hold my attention and I really have to force myself to read this stuff. --Etenne 12:02, 24 March 2014 (GMT)

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I know that you are not a "techie" like some are. And that is fine.

In future, if someone ever asks how to make a hyperlink here, please give them this information:

Two tags are necessary to include on a page in order to make a link on a page that can be

clicked on to another part of the article.




This is the first tag, the link to be clicked on:

[[#CLICKME|CLICKME]]

In the above, only the "CLICKME" will be visible in the page display. Put whatever you want

instead of the CLICKME.




The following is the target in the article - the point that will be skipped to:

<span id="CLICKME"></span>

You must include whatever you used in the first tag (instead of the CLICKME) in the second tag.

The target will only be visible in page-edit mode. On the displayed page it will be invisible.

If you give them the above information, it may save them time.

For example, in my case it would have saved me OVER TWO HOURS of mind-numbing effort. I think it cost me a few million brain neurons, too. :- )

Wait - that is only two hours of the past 5 hours.

If you include the other time spent on trying to figure this out, it would be maybe 20 or 30 hours. And that is not an exaggeration!

Now back to our regularly scheduled program.

Hoo, boy...

C'est la vie.

User4 03:46, 25 March 2014 (GMT)

I can understand that. I have only been doing wiki about a year and a half myself. I had to learn everything by trial and error too.

I was playing with the new wiki all afternoon with one of the tech.guys... it's about 90 percent done. --Etenne 03:56, 25 March 2014 (GMT)