Apertado's Pedophile Funposting!

Apertado's Pedophile Funposting! is an argumentation guide written for pro-MAP people to handle internet debates with anti-MAP people.
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Pedophile Funposting! Argumentation Manual to Handle Internet Debates With Anti-MAP People Written by me and the guys and girl at Boychat for the minor-attracted people in general. Introduction When something is worth fighting for, it doesn't matter if it's a possible goal or not; just fight for it, to death if needed. Minor-attracted people, specially pedophiles, are a group that is very misunderstood everywhere. Because of people's bias and media hammering wrong ideas away, it's hard for us to get a civil conversation going. But notice how people react to us: they either don't reply or stifle our voice, by filing bogus trouble tickets to get us banned. When they reply, they don't argue. They deny vehemently, as if speaking aloud with ears closed. Are they scared of something? They probably are not. They are just filled with self-righteousness, preconceptions and hate. Have mercy on them. But if you ever get in a real debate with anyone, you are likely to win. That's because scientific evidence of beneficial intimacy with children, as well as evidence that adult-child sex isn't always harmful, is being produced to this day. It never ceased and keeps coming up. We have science on our side. Unbiased science, that is, as a lot of good minds won't discuss this subject due to fear of losing things like ad revenue or State funds. But we have access to those studies, articles, books, interviews, from the seventies to 2017. We have a damn lot of evidence and argumentation that are unheard of by many people, because they never cared to look it up. They took things for granted. If people aren't going to speak it publicly, we gotta speak about it and we have the Internet. We gotta use it wisely. There must be a strategy to make people actually debate and be interested in the studies we dig. We have to set preferred demographics, aim for the undecided MAPs who are confused, make people feel safe around us, even if we are up to tearing age of consent apart. Hard task, given the stigma that we carry. However, that stigma is being slowly removed. The proof of that is that confused MAPs are embracing the cause, rather than just trusting what media says, the changing views in science and philosophy and, what still baffles me, the spawning of “supporters”, people who share our views without sharing our attractions and struggles. If our argumentation works, along with stigma reduction, we may be a sizable minority to be taken in consideration during elections. Imagine people seeking votes from us. Strange, isn't it? We gotta invest into changing people's minds and I hope this document comes handy. The next decade is going to be hell exciting! Arguing on-line has two benefits. The first is, obviously, getting our views out there, for people who are more open-minded to read, as well as to provide an “invitation” for undecided MAPs. That works well: I was anti-contact before reading Rind, Bauserman and Tromovitch, because I thought that traumatic contacts were majority. The second benefit is anonymity. There's no need to fear backlash online, unless you really are the kind of guy who gets offended by words on the screen. If we do it alright, they may even admit defeat, even if just for themselves. They, of course, won't say in public that they lost. Take, for example, Todd Nickerson. What if he suddenly felt like we are right and he is wrong? He built a community, with many followers, a philosophy, a praised website, he wouldn't be willing to admit defeat because that would mean throwing away everything he built around his mistake. So, don't expect people admitting defeat to you, but enjoy when they flee. Cause they eventually do. Three points should be addressed, tho. 1. Many people don't argue with us decently because our argumentation is lengthy and enrages them. Take, for example, Newgon's Debate Guide. I would have to summarize each argument, as some are three-paragraphs-long. If I got in an argument on Twitter, the Guide would be almost useless, unless I had a compiled list of arguments that I already summarized. They aren't up to reading a wall of text. Arguing on Twitter is a nightmare, no less. So, if we want to have chances of winning, we gotta keep it short and complement with a link to a study that supports our affirmation, if they or a passer-by is up to clicking. I'll try to keep each reply as short as possible, removing addendum. It's also needed because, according to Herbert Marcuse, in his Ideologia da Sociedade Industrial, short sentences are harder to criticize by people who just don't or can't think (majority of the population), compared to a long text. To make people more encouraged to read your point, fill in the gaps with personal reflections, experiences, jokes, don't be too dry. Try to give a personal spin to things, be emotive, express feelings too. But the core of the argumentation, the argument itself, needs to be short, clean, self-contained and concise. 2. Our accounts are banned due to bogus reasons, even when we don't break any rules. So, a good way to keep active is having an account queue. You create two accounts, but uses only one. If that account is banned, you have a second one that is unused. Make a third account and move to the second. If the second is banned, move to the third and make a fourth. If the third is banned, move the fourth and make a fifth. And so on. If you need to validate e-mail, Mail.com is painfully easy to create and manage, requiring no cellphone, but it's much better to use disposable e-mail services, such as Abine's “mask me” feature in Blur Firefox add-on. You can have one e-mail attached to each account that way. To keep your accounts from being easily banned, don't use your account solely for arguing. Use them normally and share others things, rather than focusing only on proving your point about sexuality. 3. When people try to reduce things to a flame war, by just saying hate sentences, there are two ways of dealing with the problem. The first is to poke fun at how ridiculous they are being and try to make humor out of it. It's well-known that humor disarms people. Schopenhauer said that there's no better argument than an insult. Making the person lose it's temper is a good way to make them embarrass themselves. You shouldn't enrage them in the argumentation, but only responsively. If they hate, you piss them further off, without descending to their level, by the means of joking about it and producing humor out of their behavior. Remember we are also thinking of who is reading, but not participating. If they are reduced to a flamed ball of squeak and you still keep your cool, people who are reading will tend to give you more credit than to the other. The second way is playing dumb and it's my favorite. When someone tries to hate, ask why. They will then answer with why they hate. They might say things like “kids can't consent”, “pedophiles harm children”, “children aren't sexual” and so on. All of those are argumentation grounds. Whenever you ask why the hate, the arguing is extended and you can keep plowing. Eventually, they quit. The idea of this document is to make each argument short enough to be copied and pasted. If people copy and paste arguments from here, ipsis literis, the sensation would be that the accounts are controlled by a single user or a small group of users, which is inaccurate. They will think that we have a limited set of arguments. So, when someone sees the same argument used in two or so places, he will make one counter-argument for them all. If it's the same person or a bot, they expect the same answer. What if the two people reply differently? It allows to surprise. So, copy-pasting is encouraged. Be original whenever your common sense says you must be. Also, you are encouraged to enrich others by sharing your own arguments made in the same model, in simplified manner, with links if possible (not all arguments will have links, specially if it's something too original). The arguments They are sorted by theme and follow an structure: question asked, possible answers. Some of these questions really are “what the fuck?” moments, but trust me, people ask those. An answer can only qualify if it's 140-characters-long or less. Benefit 1 What would society gain by allowing intergenerational intimacy? Answer 1: The amount of cases flooding the justice system would decrease, meaning less tax-paying. Why use public money to punish harmless intimacy? Answer 2: Intervention in harmless relationships causes harm to children. Intervening often causes trauma. Answer 3: Some data shows that those allowed to participate in consensual intergenerational intimacy have better understanding of themselves. 2 What children gain by having that intimacy? Answer 1: Desired physical touch is beneficial, loving attention increases self-esteem. See Development: question 4. 3 How can it enable them better physical or mental development? See Development: question 4. 4 Does it have a short-term benefit? Answer 1: Physical pleasure releases beneficial chemicals into the body, seducing an adult is a source of pride for a child. 5 Will it improve grades? Answer 1: It may. This is a common reason why parents are pleased by the intergenerational relationship of their child. Answer 2: Children are likely to want to impress their adult lover, in particular by studying harder. 6 Will it improve emotional stability? Answer 1: For diverse reasons, the family may not fulfill all the emotional needs of their children, which can be found with a lover. Answer 2: Caring love, attention towards the child may help him feel more secure and gain self-esteem; both are helpful for emotional stability. See Development: question 4. 7 Would it improve family relationships? Answer 1: It may. The common conflicts between children and their parents can find a positive escape in an outside loving relationship. 8 What would kids learn from it? Answer 1: They would learn about their own bodies, sexuality, self-respect and mutual respect. 9 How would kids use that knowledge in adult life? Answer 1: We base behaviors on previous experiences. Lacking meaningful relationship, we use child-parent relationship as model for love life. Answer 2: Having a positive experience with a mature person gives an advantage in later relationships: less stress, more hindsight. 10 Does the possible benefit compensates the harm that it could cause? Answer 1: Adult-child intimacy is generally safe. Traumatic experiences are a statistical minority. The benefit would, of course, compensate the harm. Answer 2: By getting rid of age of consent, we avoid putting a lot people in jail for doing no harm and avoid putting kids through unecessary therapy. Child porn. 1 How can you expect it to be allowed if kids can not consent? Answer 1: Not all porn involves real people. [EN: wrt kids cannot consent: "Obviously, there’s consent in the legal, underage sense of the term, but there’s also consent as a mental state (basically, the feeling of wanting to do something) that occurs regardless of age." - Jesse Bering] 2 What are the chances of the kids growing up and feel disgusted for what they did? Answer 1: The main reasons for this are exploitation and social stigma. None of which are specific or intrinsic to child porn. 3 What about the harm that child porn does to the models? Answer 1: Reducing the stigma attached to child porn would likely help them, in particular they could speak more freely about their experience. 4 Laws against child porn keep society in shape, don't they? Answer 1: By making no distinction between harmful, exploitative material and harmless one, laws may indeed favor the worst behaviors. See Laws, Justice: questions 6, 7 and 9. 5 What would we gain by allowing child porn? Answer 1: Porn is often used to release sexual tension. It may help some people to control their urges and not force an unwilling child. 6 Won't child porn pave the way to legalize child prostitution? Answer 1: This is a slippery slope argument. Has the legalization of marijuana increased the use of hard drugs? 7 Isn't it immoral? Answer 1: What we call morality is often just the cover of our prejudices and gut feelings. Nothing wrong with caring love towards children. Answer 2: Anyway, isn't it more immoral to deny the reality of human desires, and condemn actions regardless of the existence of any intrinsic harm? Answer 3: Many societies and civilizations all around the world have included such relationships in the moral standards. Why couldn't we? 8 Is it true that children and adolescents produce child porn? If so, are they arrested? See Laws, Justice: question 6. 9 Is it true that parents produce child porn? If so, are they arrested? See Laws, Justice: question 9. 10 What classifies as child porn? Answer 1: One problem with the legal definition of child porn is that it is very broad and open to interpretation, and not based on harm done. Child sexuality. 1 How can someone in their sane mind say that children are sexual from birth? Answer 1: Fetuses masturbate in the womb, babies manipulate their genitals for several minutes. Why else, if not because it feels good? Answer 2: Kids masturbate because it feels good. The difference is that adults know why. Nonetheless, it's still masturbation, still sexual pleasure. 2 How does child sexuality show and how does it relate to pedophilia? Answer 1: They want to see, touch, feel... They have many questions. How many adults would be up to answering them in a satisfying manner? 3 How does it differ from adult sexuality? Answer 1: For one, kids don't know about sex. So, their sexuality has nothing to do with penetration. They indulge at skin level. 4 What do kids actually desire? See question 2. 5 Do kids really want sex? Answer 1: Many teens cry for lowering age of consent. Kids have sexual games among themselves. Those who don't want sex may still want intimate play. 6 Isn't it just curiosity? Answer 1: Nonetheless, a sexual curiosity. They want to know about sexual things. Difference is that they don't realize those things are sexual. 7 How could someone help a kid with their sexuality, if such was allowed? Answer 1: Kids often feel insecure and guilty when discovering sexuality. An older partner they can share it with can provide some relief. 8 What would happen if I repressed my kid's sexuality? Answer 1: Shame over their own body, reluctance to enter relationships, sexual incompetence, sexual deviance, emotional instability. See Development: question 4. 9 Is there a benefit of allowing child sexuality to express itself? What's acceptable? Answer 1: That would be a great way to both teach sexual education and common sense. What's acceptable varies by environment. 10 How should the law deal with child sexuality? Answer 1: The same way it should deal with intergenerational relationships. It's okay if no harm is done. 11 At what age should intimacy be allowed? Why? See Consent: question 2. 12 Why sex is seemingly the only youthful activity that faces so much opposition? Answer 1: There's a general dislike of sex in society, not necessarily in child sexuality. The aversion to sex in society extends to children. Answer 2: Notions that sex compromises virtue, that sex damages youth... these outdated, ritualistic distortions are the cause of abuse. Answer 3: Because the subject matter is embroiled in ritualistic, and unfounded stereotype that date back to ancient believes of paranoia and control. Answer 4: Parents need to protect the boys and, aided by psychiatry, a hysteric view is taken on boys that had a loving romantic passion with someone. Answer 5: Pregnancy, sexual diseases, stigma, all play into the “why”. Education is removing these problems exponentially. Consent. 1 If kids don't know better, how can they consent to sex or intimacy? Answer 1: Intimacy and sex is down to bodily friction, it's not hard to get prepared to. They can be informed in an afternoon. Answer 2: Kids can get sex reassignment surgery at age 12. Sex and intimacy are way safer than that. So they can consent in childhood. 2 Why should age of consent be abolished? See Laws, Justice: question 1. 3 Why can't age of consent be just lowered or stay the way it is? Answer 1: Age of consent, no matter how low it is, still punishes potentially harmless and beneficial relationships. 4 Why can't age of consent be raised? Answer 1: That would multiply the problems. A lot of people already think it's too high. Rising would do no good. 5 Is there a difference between willingness (simple consent) and consent (informed)? Answer 1: Willingness is “yes”, while informed is “yes, because...”. Both can only be validated after the consequences. See Laws, Justice: question 2. 6 Why would informed consent not be needed for intimacy? Answer 1: Informed consent is only a notion helping preventing abuse. However, a benevolent act does not need its recipient to understand it all. 7 Isn't it dangerous to allow kids to consent? What about the family integrity? Answer 1: Many families don't rely on a traditional authority model anymore, and parents already ask for their kids to consent in many cases. 8 How will I know if a kid's consent is valid? Answer 1: The focus should not be on the validity of the consent, but the benevolence of the act and respect for the child's decisions. See Laws, Justice: question 2. 9 What should the kids know before consenting? Answer 1: They should know they can say "no" anytime without any pressure. They should know of potential risks (including social stigma) if any. 10 How would they learn such things? What's the role of sexual education? Answer 1: They learn by themselves, which is dangerous, or be taught by someone older. Intimacy isn't hard. But it can't be taught by anyone. Development. 1 How can children consent if their brain isn't mature enough? Answer 1: Evidence shows that 12-year-olds already have a very mature cognitive faculty. They mature fast enough to learn. Answer 2: Mentally-impaired people can consent, and a kid is often in better mental condition than them. 2 How can children be intimate with someone if their body isn't mature enough? Answer 1: Intimacy isn't just sex. Fondling feels good and kids do fondle themselves. They don't need to be 18 for such. 3 Wouldn't intergenerational intimacy ruin the child's moral development? Answer 1: State needs sexually repressed adults; they make good warriors. Controlling sexuality's useful for state in imperialistic war-making. See Benefit: question 8. 4 Wouldn't intergenerational intimacy ruin the child's emotional development? Answer 1: On the contrary. Intimacy deprivation has direct connection to emotional instability and violent behavior in adulthood. Answer 2: If the minor falls in love with an older partner, rupturing it could cause emotional distress. Better sex than drugs. 5 Wouldn't intergenerational intimacy ruin the child's physical development? Answer 1: I don't see how. 6 Wouldn't intergenerational intimacy ruin the child's social development? See Benefit: question 8. 7 Are there any empirical cases of intimacy helping the child to develop? Answer 1: There's more than 130 accounts of positive relationships between adults and minors in professional literature. The real number is way higher. 8 Why doesn't America or United Kingdom have records of beneficial intimacy? Answer 1: They do, they just don't show. 9 What researchers support a positive connection between intimacy and development? Answer 1: Constantine, Kilpatrick, Rivas, Rind, Bauserman, Tromovitch, many, many others. 10 How many of these researchers are living and active? Answer 1: Bruce Rind published an article on adult-minor relationships in July 2017. He says that it generally ends in no harm and can be positive. 11 Can they learn about their bodies and sexuality on their own? Can they learn about self-respect and mutual respect from friends? Then why do they need intergenerational intimacy? Answer 1: Scaffolding's a popular method for educating children. Why can’t this be applied to sexuality? Different social concepts may be explored in intimacy. Harm. 1 How can you say it's harmless if cases of child sex abuse multiply daily? Answer 1: Positive cases of adult-child intimacy are particular while negative ones are of public interest. Of course media won't report positives. Answer 2: Because media only shows what is of public interest, it has to focus only on negative accounts, which are statistic minority. 2 If it's not the intimacy that causes harm, what is? Answer 1: Intervention. The kid is taken to court, therapy and faces stigma, even if the relationship itself did no harm. Answer 2: Violence. If the act doesn't hurt, but only causes pleasure, it's unlikely to harm. Answer 3: Coercion. If the kid is forced to it, the feeling of helplessness won't do them good. ’’’3 How can you say that society causes the harm? We are trying to protect the kids!’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ Overprotection is often harmful, especially when moved by prejudice. ’’’4 If adult-child intimacy was allowed, how could I tell when it's abusive?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ The pedophilie association PIE had proposed a bill to protect children against real abuse. ’’’Answer 2:’’’ A hard law may be less protective than legalization, as many people feel forced to silence in ambiguous or difficult situations. See Laws, Justice: question 2. ’’’5 If kids can't protect themselves, is not it better to keep it forbidden?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ Why would the law be the best way to protect children? A culture offering positive models could be more effective. ’’’Answer 2:’’’ Kids should be able to find protection outside of the law, there are many better preventive measures against abuse. ’’’Answer 3:’’’ In the Ancient Greek society, the cultural notion of hubris was used to prevent abuse. ’’’Answer 4:’’’ There's a lot of adults surrounding the kid. The kid should be allowed to disclose abuse to them, so they can file the charge. ’’’6 How can kids protect themselves? Should they be allowed to file charges?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ They'd report it to an adult who can do so. Teachers, doctors or officers. Inform them via PSA on TV or give lessons on it at school. ’’’7 How can a kid report abuse?’’’ See question 6. ’’’8 How can one say that sex with children isn't harmful if penetrating a tyke sure hurts?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ Sex is not all about (anal) penetration, there are many ways to share sexual pleasure. See Intimacy, Sex: question 2. ’’’9 Wouldn't it proliferate sexually transmitted diseases?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ In a world with so many ways to protect oneself from STDs? Specially considering that a relationship with children is seldom penetrative? ’’’10 What is abuse industry?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ Many professionals live off the condemnation of minor attraction, and have therefore a personal interest in distorting the facts. ’’’Answer 2:’’’ The process of criminalization employs judges, lawyers and police. What do you do with these people when they become useless? ’’’Answer 3:’’’ The Pedo issue is a nifty way of getting politicians elected. ’’’11 A kid who depends on the adult for shelter, food and healthcare can't say no to that adult. Won't power disparity ruin it?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ If the adult is misusing authority, that's exploitation. There already are laws against that for adults and can apply to kids. See question 6. ’’’12 Is child sexual abuse really on the rise? Can age of consent prevent abuse?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ UK and USA both have high age of consent, but they are two of the top 5 countries with the highest rates of child sexual abuse. ’’’Answer 2:’’’ Asia has the lowest overall rates of child sexual abuse. Average age of consent in Asia's lower than that in the United States. ’’’Answer 3:’’’ The key to preventing abuse may not be the age of consent, but other factors such as sexual education and awareness. ’’’Intimacy, sex.’’’ ’’’1 What do pedophiles really desire? What do they fantasize about?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ Romantic intimacy, even if a sexual element is present, expressed or not. Most relationships between adult and kid end up asexual. ’’’2 How many pedophiles out there actually want sex with children?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ A minority, if “sex” is “penetration”. Considering that penetration hurts, many of us don't want it. ’’’3 How do you expect me to believe that there are pedophiles who don't abuse?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ Minor-attracted people usually don't abuse, because we like children. Society's reaction could harm the kid's psyche, not us. ’’’Answer 2:’’’ What's “abuse”? If any contact is “abuse”, then we don't “abuse” just because laws don't allow such, not that those laws should be there. ’’’Answer 3:’’’ Abuse is crossing the line between what the kid allows or disallows. But laws forbid all touch, so we aren't up to that, unless laws change. ’’’4 Why would someone crush on a child?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ Kids are beautiful, charming... even if one says that the beauty is in the eye of the lover, so you may feel different. ’’’5 Why would someone befriend a child?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ Attractive features like spontaneity, emotional connections, possibility of a mentoring relationship... ’’’6 Do Virtuous Pedophiles deserve any credit? What are they?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ They thrive for acceptance more than truth. In face of so much evidence, they still claim it's wrong. Just so people can stop hating. ’’’Answer 2:’’’ Non-offending/anti-contact MAPs. Meaning they don't have criminal record and don't want age of consent abolishment. ’’’7 Are there different types of pedophile?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ Many different classifications are possible, but in the end every pedophile is a particular human being, who should be considered as such. ’’’8 What's “hebephilia”, “ephebophilia” and “nepiophilia”?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ Hebephilia is the attraction for pubescent children, that is, children just starting to develop the sexual characteristics of adults. ’’’Answer 2:’’’ Ephebophila is the attraction for post-puberty children (teenagers) who haven't yet fully acquired an adult appearance. ’’’Answer 3:’’’ Nepiophilia is the attraction for babies or toddlers. ’’’9 If intergenerational intimacy was allowed, wouldn't child marriage be too?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ A slippery slope argument. Marriage involves a long-term commitment which is not required in intergenerational intimacy. ’’’Answer 2:’’’ A child can buy toys or candies, but cannot contract a credit for buying a car. It's kind of the same here. ’’’10 How do you expect me to believe that pedophilia is not just about kiddy diddling?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ Many historic figures were attracted to minors. Their attraction was often downplayed, but see how it expressed itself. ’’’Answer 2:’’’ Minor-attracted people are humans like all of us. Why wouldn't they feel selfless, positive feelings towards people they are attracted to? ’’’11 Why does society shame youthful sex?’’’ ’’’Answer 1: It could be religion, could be social control...’’’ ’’’Laws, justice.’’’ ’’’1 What changes in law would be appreciated by pedophiles?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ Taking our human rights in consideration would be nice. Like, can we not be fired for having these feelings (specially if contained)? ’’’Answer 2:’’’ Age of consent criminalizes both harmful and harmless relationships. That alone shows that age of consent is unfair. ’’’Answer 3:’’’ Only actions causing real harm should be punished. Pedophiles shouldn't be punished either when the harm is caused by the society itself. ’’’2 How would justice determine when a relationship is abusive and when it's not?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ No one consents to harm, but to benefit only. If there's harm, consent is invalid. A relationship that doesn't harm the kid isn't abusive. ’’’Answer 2:’’’ Look for bruises, unhappiness. Also, a kid who's sex-savvy wasn't necessarely abused, by the way. At what age did you lost your “innocence”? ’’’3 Isn't age of consent a good method of keeping abuse under control?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ See the news. Teens have sex among themselves, by the way, and get away with that. Not to mention kids doing the same. Is that all abuse? See Harm: question 12. ’’’4 If age of consent were to be abolished today, what kind of law would take it's place?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ If what makes people so angry about age of consent abolishment is family integrity, why not parent consent? ’’’Answer 2:’’’ Rape and sexual assault laws and policies that apply to adults should be applied to children as well. It's not a replacement, but extension. ’’’5 How can you say that the current laws cause more harm than good?’’’ See question 6. ’’’6 What do you mean that non-pedophiles are harmed by such laws?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ Teens are being arrested for sharing “nudes” between each other. They aren't pedophiles because of that. Nonetheless, they are arrested. ’’’Answer 2:’’’ Pedophiles have families, friends... all are affected by the unfair treatment of pedophilia. ’’’Answer 3:’’’ The laws force the kids to be seen as victims, even if they don't feel like that. It can confuse and hurt them a lot. See question 7. ’’’7 Are those laws harmful to children?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ Kids as young as seven are being put on sex offender register for, say, peeing on their house garden while a cop was passing by. ’’’Answer 2:’’’ Exploratory games between children are being punished. Cases of very young children being put in offender registry are increasing. ’’’8 Are those laws harmful to teenagers?’’’ See question 6. ’’’9 Are those laws harmful to adults?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ Parents were arrested for “child porn” files such as family pictures in which a family child appears naked, even if they don't share it. ’’’10 If those laws are bad, why do they continue to exist?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ Because no one complains. ’’’11 Is it true that a 14-year-old making out to a 12-year-old gets away uncharged? What's the rationale for jailing a 17-year-old doing the same?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ Depends on the jurisdiction. Probably a case of Romeo and Juliet law. ’’’12 Why is violent media softer punished than erotic media? Why isn't a person inviting a kid to play a violent videogame punished as harshly for somene inviting a kid to play an erotic videogame?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ One could argue that they don’t want kids to get the wrong idea about sex from games, but this could apply to violent games as well. ’’’13 Are laws endangering romance between two minors?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ In Brazil, parents who kiss their kids on the lips are arrested. That means that, if you kiss you girl before age 14, you will be enjailed. ‘’’LGBT.’’’ ’’’1 What's that LGBTQP thing going on? Who's Heart Progress?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ Some of us support them. But most think they are trolls. I think so too. ’’’2 Is it true that the gay liberation movement had support from NAMBLA?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ Very true. Also very embarrassing to them. They don't speak much about it. ’’’Answer 2:’’’ Jim Kepner pioneered the gay liberation movement. He wouldn't approve LGBT's current disapproval towards us. ’’’Answer 3:’’’ See Allen Ginsberg and Harry Hay. (EN: In Japan: See Bungaku Ito for gay support for BLs) ’’’3 Why the gay liberation movement dropped NAMBLA?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ The media at that time used some scandals involving minors to discredit sexual minorities. So it was for a great part a tactical decision. ’’’4 Do pedophiles want association with LGBT movements? Why?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ There is no consensus on that. But there is certainly some common issues like discrimination and social stigma. ’’’5 Can pedophiles succeed in making any law changes without LGBT support?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ In a democratic setting, we can, as long as we get people to think like us and support our point. ’’’6 Are LGBT people against pedophilia? Since when?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ Yes, since UN bribed them. They would make shit legal if gays dropped connections to pedophilia. ’’’Answer 2:’’’ Until the 70s- early 80s there was a large acceptance of freely-accepted relationships with minors within the LGBT people. ’’’Answer 3:’’’ Oscar Wilde, Gide, and many other famous historical LGBT people would be labeled as pedophiles today for both their actions and beliefs. ’’’7 Are pedophilia and homosexuality comparable? What do they have in common?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ Everything, but age of participants. It's how we compare pedophilia and heterosexuality too. I'm talking about feelings, not practices. ’’’8 Isn't it unfair to compare pedophilia and homosexuality? No one advocates that!’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ Every comparison has limits, but History has shown that what was inconceivable before is now accepted and old opinions seen as prejudice. ’’’9 Can pedophilia succeed in being mainstreamed by following what worked for gays?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ There's no consensus on that. If you heard that as absolute truth, you may be reading the wrong newspaper. ’’’10 Doesn't the discussion of LGBT vs. Pedophilia fuels right-wing hate against both?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ Who cares? ’’’Sin, religion.’’’ ’’’1 Why does Islam supports pedophilia?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ Not only because it doesn't list minor attraction as sin, but also because the prophet was himself attracted to minors. ’’’2 Is pedophilia a sin?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ Holy Bible never opposes directly to minor attraction. Texts that back up that view are debatable. Some christians were attracted to minors. ’’’Answer 2:’’’ Jesus says we shouldn't harm kids. But, by intervening in harmless relationships, society's reaction harms the kids. Love each other? 1St John 3:11, 1st John 3:18, 1st John 3:23. ’’’Answer 3:’’’ While the Bible doesn't oppose to minor attraction directly, it directly opposes to hate. This witchhunt is sinful. Matthew 5:44-48, Luke 6:27-35, Luke 6:37. See question 3. ’’’3 Are there biblical examples of people who fell attracted over people below 16?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ Some scholars argue that Isaac married his wife when she was ten. God was fine with that and helped out. Genesis 24:12-20, Numbers 31:18. ’’’4 Why Roman Catholic church is riddled full with pedophiles?’’’ Answer 1: Some scholars say that at least 1% of the world population is attracted to minors. Isn't just church, it's everywhere. ’’’5 Doesn't intergenerational relationships within family count as incest?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ If incest is just penetration, then not necessarely. Undressing your child can be erotic, but not exactly incestuous. ’’’6 Islam's not fine with homosexuality, how can boy lovers use Islam as argument?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ Who says we do? Many of us don't fully understand Islam to use it as argument. ’’’Answer 2:’’’ There are many testimonies through the art that the Islamic culture has been tolerating, or even embracing, some forms of boy love. ’’’7 Will acceptance of Islam lead to acceptance of pedophilia?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ Many current movements of Islam are not favorable to pedophilia, so it is unlikely to play a role. ’’’8 Are there any other religions fine with pedophilia?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ The less popular ones, indigenous, for example. Plus, Eastern philosophies don't mention that as wrong. 9 ’’’Is Christianity the only one that isn't fine with pedophilia?’’’ See question 2. ’’’10 What's Judaism position on the subject?’’’ ’’’Answer 1:’’’ Moses' law doesn't oppose to minor attraction at all. On the other hand, it says we needn't to hate what God does not. Numbers 23:8. See question 2. Resources. You can show links to other pages that better explain the point you are trying to make. I collected all resource references in this section in order to make the text less cluttered. There are two instances in which you can do it: if the person seems interested or if the person asks for references. If the person is uninterested and doesn't ask, don't show links to them, cause they won't read it. Debate Guide. All Child Molesters Are Pedophiles https://www.newgon.net/wiki/Debate_Guide:_All_child_molesters_are_pedophiles Child Abuse Industry https://www.newgon.net/wiki/Debate_Guide:_Child_abuse_industry Cognitive Ability https://www.newgon.net/wiki/Debate_Guide:_Cognitive_ability If We Could Only Save One Child https://www.newgon.net/wiki/Debate_Guide:_If_we_could_only_save_one_child Intrinsic Harm https://www.newgon.net/wiki/Debate_Guide:_Intrinsic_harm Power Disparity https://www.newgon.net/wiki/Debate_Guide:_Power_disparity Prior Experience https://www.newgon.net/wiki/Debate_Guide:_Prior_experience Problems With Age of Consent https://www.newgon.net/wiki/Debate_Guide:_Problems_with_the_Age_of_Consent Profound and Lifelong Scarring https://www.newgon.net/wiki/Debate_Guide:_Profound_and_lifelong_scarring Sexual Inexperience https://www.newgon.net/wiki/Debate_Guide:_Sexual_inexperience Sexual Neglect https://www.newgon.net/wiki/Debate_Guide:_Sexual_neglect The Fallacy of “Sexual Maturity” https://www.newgon.net/wiki/Debate_Guide:_The_fallacy_of_%22sexual_maturity%22 The Kids Do Not Want It https://www.newgon.net/wiki/Debate_Guide:_The_kids_do_not_want_it The Professional Victim https://www.newgon.net/wiki/Debate_Guide:_The_professional_victim Teen Brain https://www.newgon.net/wiki/Debate_Guide:_Teen_brain There Is No Law That Prohibits Minors https://www.newgon.net/wiki/Debate_Guide:_There_is_no_law_that_prohibits_minors General references. ‘’’Benefit.’’’ ’’’Biologic Perspective On Early Erotic Development’’’ Http://Www.Childpsych.Theclinics.Com/Article/S1056-4993(04)00004-5/Abstract ’’’Boys On Their Contacts With Men: A Study Of Sexually Expressed Friendships’’’ Http://Mhamic.Org/Sources/Sandfort.Htm ’’’Body Pleasure And The Origins Of Violence’’’ Http://Violence.De/Prescott/Bulletin/Article.Html ’’’Cases In The Research’’’ Http://Www.Consentingjuveniles.Com/Cases ’’’First Postpubertal Male Same-Sex Sexual Experience In The National Health And Social Life Survey: Current Functioning In Relation To Age At Time Of Experience And Partner Age.’’’ Https://Www.Ncbi.Nlm.Nih.Gov/Pubmed/28717883?Dopt=Abstract ’’’Incest: Self‐Report Findings From A Nonclinical Sample’’’ Http://Www.Tandfonline.Com/Doi/Pdf/10.1080/00224498609551327 ’’’Intergenerational Sexual Contact: A Continuum Model Of Participants And Experiences’’’ Http://Www.Tandfonline.Com/Doi/Abs/10.1080/01614576.1989.11074938 ’’’Positive Memories’’’ https://www.ipce.info/host/rivas/positive_memories.htm ’’’Psychological Correlates Of Male Child And Adolescent Sexual Experiences With Adults: A Review Of The Nonclinical Literature’’’ Http://Deepblue.Lib.Umich.Edu/Bitstream/Handle/2027.42/44100/10508_2004_Article_423340.Pdf?Sequence=1 ’’’Sexual Experiences In Early Childhood: 18-Year Longitudinal Data From The Ucla Family Lifestyles Project.’’’ Http://Www.Popline.Org/Node/532656 ‘’’Child porn.’’’ ’’’Cub’’’ Https://En.Wikifur.Com/Wiki/Cub ’’’Passion Despair (Child models)’’’ Https://Jerredjones.Blogspot.Fr/2012/05/Film-Thats-Banned-Everywhere-Truth-They.Html ’’’Research: Child Pornography’’’ Https://Www.Newgon.Net/Wiki/Research:_Child_Pornography ’’’Shotacon’’’ Https://En.Wikipedia.Org/Wiki/Shotacon ‘’’Child sexuality.’’’ ’’’Children Are Sexual Beings’’’ Https://Clresearchblog.Wordpress.Com/2017/07/08/Children-Are-Sexual-Beings/ ’’’Children’s Sexuality’’’ Https://Docs.Google.Com/Document/D/1dd05vy-Wum_-Bh5tfbsswoxeqqt5onys37zhatyx0x0/Edit ’’’The Negative Effects Of Child Sexual Repression’’’ Https://Clresearchblog.Wordpress.Com/2017/07/08/The-Negative-Effects-Of-Child-Sexual-Repression/ ’’’Ultrasonographic Observation Of A Female Fetus' Sexual Behavior In Utero.’’’ Https://Www.Ncbi.Nlm.Nih.Gov/Pubmed/8828451 ‘’’Consent.’’’ ’’’3 Reasons Why The Age Of Consent Should Be Lowered’’’ Https://Www.Youtube.Com/Watch?V=Gc_G34cxy9e ’’’Age of Consent’’’ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent#Law ‘’’Development.’’’ ’’’Children Reach Adult Brain Levels Sooner Than Previously Thought’’’ https://www.ipce.info/library_3/files/brain_levels.htm ‘’’Harm.’’’ ’’’A Meta-Analytic Examination Of Assumed Properties Of Child Sexual Abuse Using College Samples.’’’ https://www.ipce.info/library_3/rbt/metaana.htm ’’’A Question Of Abuse.’’’ https://www.ipce.info/library_3/files/levine/lev_mo_jo_quest.htm ’’’Child Sexual Abuse’’’ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse#Prevalence ’’’London Police Agents Matthews, Chapman, Dinnis and Collins as Monsters of the Month.’’’ http://exitinterview.biz/rarities/pan/htmfiles/pan2p30.htm ’’’Societal System Intervention Trauma To Child Sexual Abuse Victims Following Disclosure’’’ Https://Kb.Osu.Edu/Dspace/Handle/1811/36826 ’’’Society's Stigma Of The Act May Account For A Large Portion Of The Harm’’’ Https://Clresearchblog.Wordpress.Com/2017/07/08/Societys-Stigma-Of-The-Act-May-Account-For-A-Large-Portion-Of-The-Harm/ ’’’Suppression Of Legitimate Scholarly Research’’’ Http://Www.Exitinterview.Biz/Suppression/Index.Htm ’’’Very Few Children Harmed By Sexual Encounters With Adults Or Peers.’’’ Https://Clresearchblog.Wordpress.Com/2017/07/08/Very-Few-Children-Are-Harmed-By-Sexual-Encounters-With-Adults-Or-Peers/ ’’’What If The Child Appears To Enjoy It? Moral Attitudes Towards Adult-Child Sex Among Men With And Without Pedohebephilia.’’’ Https://Www.Researchgate.Net/Publication/311583631_What_If_The_Child_Appears_To_Enjoy_It_Moral_Attitudes_Toward_Adult-Child_Sex_Among_Men_With_And_Without_Pedohebephilia ‘’’Intimacy, sex.’’’ 18 Common Misconceptions About Paedophiles & Paedophilia: Update & Reblog Https://Consentinghumans.Wordpress.Com/2015/12/09/18-Common-Misconceptions-About-Paedophiles-Paedophilia-Update-Reblog/ ’’’Famous Pedophiles’’’ Https://Famouspedophiles.Wordpress.Com/2016/04/28/Famous-Pedophiles/ ’’’Minor-Attracted Figures In History’’’ Https://Philiaresearch.Wordpress.Com/2015/02/09/Minor-Attracted-Figures-In-History/ ’’’Pedophilia Is A Sexual Orientation’’’ Https://Clresearchblog.Wordpress.Com/2017/07/08/Pedophilia-Is-A-Sexual-Orientation/ ‘’’Laws, justice.’’’ ’’’7-Year-Old Boy Charged With Peeing Onto Neighbor’s Steaks On Grill’’’ Http://Whdh.Com/News/7-Year-Old-Boy-Charged-With-Peeing-Onto-Neighbors-Steaks-On-Grill/ ’’’Child Sexual Abuse: Top 5 Countries With the Highest Rates’’’ http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/child-sexual-abuse-top-5-countries-highest-rates-1436162 ’’’Counting And Over-Counting Registry’’’ Http://Solresearch.Org/Report/Counting_And_Over-Counting_Registry ’’’Criminalizing Child's Play’’’ Http://Solresearch.Org/Report/Criminalizing_Childs_Play ’’’Ipce Newsletter #30. (EN: EXAMPLES OF DANGEROUS SO LAWS)’’’ https://www.ipce.info/newsletters/newsl_pdf/Ipce%20Newsletter%20E%2030.pdf ’’’Islam Answers - Early Marriage’’’ https://www.ipce.info/library_3/files/early_marriage.htm ’’’Look Who's On Registry Now’’’ Http://Solresearch.Org/Report/Look_Whos_On_Registry_Now ’’’SOR Problems’’’ Https://Www.Newgon.Net/Wiki/Sor_Problems ’’’Statutory Rape: Reflections On Violence Presumption In Libidinous Act With A Person Under Age Of Consent.’’’ Https://Www.Brongersma.Info/Statutory_Rape_-_Reflections_On_Violence_Presumption_In_Libidinous_Act_With_A_Person_Under_The_Age_Of_Consent ’’’Three-Year-Old Boy Arrested For Peeing In His Front Yard, Mom Gets $2,500 Ticket’’’ Http://Www.Naturalnews.Com/037902_Children_Bathroom_Citation.Html ’’’User:Hikari/notes’’’ https://www.boywiki.org/en/User:Hikari/notes ‘’’LGBT.’’’ ’’’Allen Ginsberg’’’ https://www.boywiki.org/en/Allen_Ginsberg ’’’Applaud Their Courage And Take Heart.’’’ Https://Tomocarroll.Wordpress.Com/2017/04/27/Applaud-Their-Courage-And-Take-Heart/ ’’’Comparing Paedophilia & Homosexuality’’’ Https://Consentinghumans.Wordpress.Com/2017/07/12/Comparing-Paedophilia-Homosexuality/ ’’’Harry Hay’’’ https://www.boywiki.org/en/Harry_Hay ’’’How Many Men Are Paedophiles?’’’ Http://Www.Bbc.Com/News/Magazine-28526106 ’’’Jim Kepner’’’ Https://En.Wikipedia.Org/Wiki/Jim_Kepner ’’’NAMBLA’’’ https://www.boywiki.org/en/NAMBLA#Blackmail_of_the_ILGA_by_the_US_Congress ’’’Timeline Of Lgbt History’’’ Https://En.Wikipedia.Org/Wiki/Timeline_Of_Lgbt_History ‘’’Sin, religion.’’’ ’’’Bible: Does Numbers 31:18 Sanction Pre-Pubescent Marriages (Child Marriage)?’’’ Https://Discover-The-Truth.Com/2013/11/14/Bible-Does-Numbers-3118-Sanction-Pre-Pubescent-Marriages-Child-Marriage-2/ ’’’Bible: Isaac’s Marriage To 10 Year Old Rebecca?’’’ Https://Discover-The-Truth.Com/2015/01/14/Bible-Isaacs-Marriage-To-10-Year-Old-Rebecca/ ’’’Books.’’’ Blaney, Paul H.; Millon, Theodore (2009). Oxford Textbook of Psychopathology (Oxford Series in Clinical Psychology) (2nd ed.). Oxford University Press, USA. p. 528. ISBN 0-19-537421-5.) Feelgood S, Hoyer J (2008). "Child molester or paedophile? Sociolegal versus psychopathological classification of sexual offenders against children". Journal of Sexual Aggression 14 (1): 33–43