Talk:Etenne

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Hmm. Why is that "better"?

user4

I don't know... it says that in the instruction manual. my guess is that it has to do with the software and how it creates a page. The wiki environment wants wiki code:)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Cheatsheet

Because I say so! --Etenne 19:15, 28 February 2014 (GMT)

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What? Just because you run this place, you think you run this place?

Oh, boy...

http://archive.is/uryourstory.org

User4 08:21, 1 March 2014 (GMT)

Now that you have added the Cheat sheet‎ you need to edit it to make it compatible with BoyWiki. That is excellent practice in getting to know how things work.

--Etenne 11:17, 1 March 2014 (GMT)

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"Nothing posted on the Internet ever disappears forever."

Hmm... Now I see that that bit of everyday knowledge is wrong, too. ;-)

I also see why 'scribes' have a hard time. It is a bit complicated, the editing of wiki articles. I can see how many become quickly disheartened...

OK - I'll work on that page. When I figure out where it is, and what can be one...

Oh, and how was your pizza? I was busy backing-up several hundred articles I am involved with preparing for publishing on another site. Then I ran into those 'images', and decided to save most of that site to archive.is. Bernie now seems aware of its existence. Curious, that. (Any of those images useful for you to use in BoyWiki?) I am still doing the backing-up of those other articles. I'm not sure how many more to go. :- (

Oh, and that 'work-around' for editing Wikipedia? Bernie interested?

And that other Azov wiki suggestion - any thoughts?

Talk to me, dude!

How come four ' marks in front, and four ' marks in back don't give bold and italic?

CORRECTION: I got it - it's five that works.

User4 12:09, 1 March 2014 (GMT)

On Editing: that is why it is best just to start small when learning to edit. Newbies can always stick to just plain text.

Azov wiki = too big of a job and more trouble than I am prepared to deal with. I'll stick to one wiki:)

I did a little editing on your Cheat sheet‎ page and added it to your Category:Junktest‎

More Coffee!

--Etenne 12:15, 1 March 2014 (GMT)

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Ah! It's three that bolds. I'll bet we have that info somewhere. We need a "cheat sheet" for "scribes", don't we? And then the "scribes" should all read it, right?

I saw your alterations to my Cheat sheet‎. Oh, boy! I've got my very own page! NOT!

User4 12:43, 1 March 2014 (GMT)

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download and read this re: why antis do what they do: http://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ801193.pdf

In case you missed these, they are also important:

http://www.tanadineen.com/writer/articles/ForDistribution/Skeptic.pdf

tanadineen.com/documents/MV3.pdf

http://whoresofthecourt.com/WotC%20Book.pdf

User4 22:18, 5 March 2014 (GMT)

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Interesting study, which is somewhat relevant (parts are very relevant):

The Cost of Homophobia: Literature Review on the Human Impact of Homophobia On Canada by Christopher Banks

http://www.ibrarian.net/navon/paper/The_Cost_of_Homophobia__Literature_Review_on_the_.pdf?paperid=2267464

User4 06:15, 6 March 2014 (GMT)

I am not exactly sure what it is you are asking?

--Etenne 12:13, 6 March 2014 (GMT)

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Those papers should be of interest to you, as they contain info relevant to your posts on BC as well as BoyWiki articles. I am not really asking anything...

EJ801193.pdf describes who benefits from pedosteria, and quotes from the other materials I linked to.

The_Cost_of_Homophobia discusses the suffering of gays from homophobia, and closely parallels pedo's problems - you can substitute "pedo" for "homosexual" in much of the article and it describes our problems exactly.

Interesting pic here. Maybe you can track down the artist? https://anonfiles.com/file/36c22cd21c9249e8e005a7b074ce3475

I call it, "Child with flower" but that is surely not it's real name.

User4 16:08, 6 March 2014 (GMT)

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BTW... there free are tools on the Web which (supposedly) take HTML markup and convert it to Wiki markup.

Check the links here:

https://www.google.de/search?hl=de&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=online+convert+html+wiki+markup

I don't know if they work, how well they work, etc. You'll have to try them. They might make some of your "conversions" easier.

Hope you are feeling better.

Don't take certain stuff too seriously, OK? ;-)

User4 04:17, 7 March 2014 (GMT)

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This one is quite cool and seems to work http://bmanolov.free.fr/html2wiki-tables.php#wiki

--Etenne 13:08, 8 March 2014 (GMT)

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RE: bmanolov.free.fr HTML to WIKI markup translation:

I don't see it working at all - I tested it on some HTML, and it did nothing. Maybe javascript being disabled in my browser is the problem? When you tested it, did you really notice changes made to the text you entered in the "to convert" field? I didn't see any.

RE: Witch Hunt in UK

... that you posted about.

If you look at the other articles the author has published, it is clear that she is a demented "child saver" (she has a 15-year-old girl to "protect").

http://www.express.co.uk/search/Sonia+Poulton?s=Sonia+Poulton&b=1

I wonder if Sonia Poulton could be educated in the facts about CL? Perhaps she should be contacted by someone knowledgeable, and made aware of a few things? Could Bernie do that?

Oh - one more thing. Did you recently get an email from me? Please confirm if you did or did not. You may choose to ignore my emails - that's your prerogative, and OK with me(?), but I would like to know if someone else is intercepting and deleting email sent to you. If so, I won't bother to email you any more.

User4 13:19, 9 March 2014 (GMT)

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Yes, when I tried it, it worked fine and changed the text from HTML to Wiki markup.

Re: Sonia Poulton... You can't have a discussion with these types of fanatics. Pas vaut la peine.

Yes, I got your email but that is one thing you should know about me. I am slow to respond, I don't like writing letters, or talking on the phone. I use to have a house phone but it was a waste because I refused to answer the thing. I do respond to my email, it just takes me a long time because I need to be really bored and in the mood. --Etenne 13:46, 9 March 2014 (GMT)

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Yes, when I tried it, it worked fine and changed the text from HTML to Wiki markup.

That may save you a lot of time and effort, not to mention headaches, no?

Uh, so, hmm... 'you're welcome'? Sheesh...

User4 21:01, 9 March 2014 (GMT)

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I will let you know when I actually use it for something if it makes my life more enjoyable, fulfilled, and meaningful P~

So how are you coming along on learning to wiki?

--Etenne 11:15, 10 March 2014 (GMT)

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So how are you coming along on learning to wiki?

I'm in the middle of a lot of other things which are more important to me at this point. So many articles at BW need work that I don't really know where to begin. Of course, the place to start that is probably the most important is to make editing easy for new "scribes". I started that, but then got distracted by the other things I am working on elsewhere. Good, important stuff IMHO. Sorry about that. P~

I will let you know when I actually use it for something if it makes my life more enjoyable, fulfilled, and meaningful P~

You do that, OK? Like, I know you can't 'foresee the future' on the usefulness of that tool. P~

User4 21:01, 2 March 2214 (GMT)

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You should check this out:

http://wikiwig.sourceforge.net/

WYSIWYG means "what you see is what you get"

If you can install this, editing should be a breeze for new editors.

OK, OK - now for your excuses about "I can't because... It is too difficult because... I don't want to because... etc. etc.

Come on, dude - if you had this, then new "scribes" (gawd, how I hate that term!) would be able to quickly and easily edit BW pages.

Now, tell me how that would not be useful! P~

Now I'm back to looking for an "online wiki WYSIWYG editor" because waiting for BW pages to re-load is so so so fucking slow!

User4 20:28, 17 March 2014 (GMT)

There is also this:

https://userscripts.org/scripts/show/12529

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Cacycle/wikEd

... but it needs javascript enabled in your browser, which some do not like.

And this:

Create and format a document in Word as before, choose File – > Save As and select MediaWiki* under file types. Word will now convert and save the document in Wiki style markup. The add-in is supported on Microsoft Office Word 2007 and Office 2010.

http://www.labnol.org/software/wysiwyg-wiki-editor/18062/

... and this:

Alternatively, you can use any HTML editor – like Dreamweaver or Live Writer – and then convert your HTML tags into Wiki markup using that HTML to WIKI markup tool I introduced

User4 19:26, 17 March 2014 (GMT)

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What we need is this:

An "editing help" file that can be kept open in another tab or window, which has the possible markup in a TOC with a link to the section describing it, and a "return" link to the TOC.

Or do we have that already?

(... 5 minutes later)

I just went looking for "editing help". I know you gave me info on it, but I don't remember where. I tried under the help category, but it is not there. I checked under special categories but it is not there. I'm sure I can find it, but let me tell you - the average "scribe" would give up much sooner than I would! And then you'd be left with "one less scribe". People don't want to go on wild-goose chases. They want things easy to find, readily accessible, at their fingertips.

That is what wiki software is supposed to do!!!

Why doesn't BW work that way?

(... 5 minutes later)

I found what I had added:

https://en.boywiki.org/wiki/Full_list_of_wiki_markup_notation

I'll guess at a correct link:

Full_list_of_wiki_markup_notation

(NOTE: If I had what I'm talking about, I would not NEED to guess.)

It needs to have the extraneous info removed (Egyptian characters? We are unlikely to need those), put the markup code within the text, then have a "back to TOC" link for each one.

User4 12:49, 18 March 2014 (GMT)

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I am not sure what you are asking. If you are asking if you can create a link to a section on a different page you can MORE JUNK #History or This is a link to a section.

You have been adding a lot of stuff, perhaps it time you start to put it together into a complete page?

--Etenne 10:10, 19 March 2014 (GMT)

I am not sure what you are asking. If you are asking if you can create a link to a section on a different page you can MORE JUNK #History or This is a link to a section.

Great! Now, how do you make a link to go BACK to the place the link started - like Wikipedia does in its references?

I tried to figure out how they do it. Not very successfully...

<code>HTML version <code><a name="anchor">REF ONE</a> <code><a ref="TextFormattingRules#anchor"> <code>FOR BACK, TRY THIS: <code><a name="BACKREFONE">BACK REF ONE</a> <code><a ref="TextFormattingRules#BACKREFONE"> <code><nowiki>FOR WIKI: <code>[#anchor] <code>which can be referred to with any of the linking methods, per the examples below. <code>You can not use the minus or hypen character (i.e. "-") in the anchor name, e.g. "[#N888_7_2_1]" works ok, while <code>"[#N888-7-2-1]" does not <code>Wiki link: <a ref="TextFormattingRules#anchor">

I GIVE UP ON TRYING TO MAKE SEPARATE LINES OF THE ABOVE!!!! MAYBE DOUBLE-SPACED WILL WORK!!! WHERE IS THE GODDAMN HELP PAGE!!!

EXAMPLE OF WHAT I MEAN:

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah *CLICK TO SKIP TO FOOTNOTE 1*

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah *CLICK TO SKIP TO FOOTNOTE 2* blah blah blah blah blah

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

• CLICK HERE TO "SKIP BACK" TO TEXT* *HERE IS THE FOOTNOTE 1*

• CLICK HERE TO "SKIP BACK" TO TEXT* *HERE IS THE FOOTNOTE 2*

User4 23:24, 19 March 2014 (GMT)

Let's see. There are a number of "steps" necessary for a wiki to have good content. First, there must be the basic information, which someone has to search for and find. Then a "basic" entry must be made, then the entry has to be "prettied up" with correct wiki markup, then it must be proofread, and then it is "finished" (barring the addition of new information).

Now, which of the above steps requires a great deal of patience, skill, and (perhaps) some unusual abilities?

• Proofreading for errors?

• Prettying up the entry with markup?

• Making the "basic" entry?

• Or locating good material which could be included in the wiki?

A "technician" can do the proofreading. He can do the "prettying up". He can do all the "donkey work".

But finding the stuff for inclusion - now that takes something unusual, doesn't it? And without which, none of the "technicians" would have anything to do.

Sure - all the steps are important. But having a record of a good site with a link to it, or having some important material (even in HTML markup, or otherwise deficient) is the first (and arguably, the most important) step, wouldn't you agree?

For example, someone might start a page, and include a link to an (unusual, because it is "boylove friendly") Encyclopedia of Homosexuality, then others could put descriptions of, and links to, the important, relevant articles.

N'est-ce pas? ;- )

User4 23:24, 19 March 2014 (GMT)

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If I understand what you are asking, it is possible. Look at the source of this page Somersault's HTML Guide, the little hand.gif sends you back to the TOC. It's just tedious and a pain in the ass to do.

--Etenne 12:13, 20 March 2014 (GMT)