Talk:Child trafficking

I am not really seeing what this has to do with boylove? --Etenne (talk) 18:51, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

What about the fact that if someone has a relationship with a teenager that includes giving him some money or gifts to help him out, that could be considered sex trafficking, according to how it's been conceptualized? Before, these relationships were considered merely exploitative and abusive; now they're being considered a form of enslavement too. Lysander (talk) 19:40, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

That may be true but this sounds like what a heterosexual would do, not a boylover. Plus, I have some other concerns about how we are presenting this stuff.... if I was a 15-year-old BL and I came to BoyWiki for the first time and read some of this stuff... I'd never come back because stuff like this says nothing about me. --Etenne (talk) 19:45, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Plus, I find some of the stuff you have added about sex tourism very alarming. This is not what boylove is about and I am not sure that it has any place on this wiki. --Etenne (talk) 20:11, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Haven't you said that there's a lot of disagreement in the boylove community about what boylove is about? Also, I happen to know an incarcerated boylover who says that he used to give gifts to his young friends. He said that what's often called "child grooming" would, if it occurred between adults, be considered simply "dating". It's common that one partner in a relationship, especially an older man, will have more income and will buy the younger partner presents and pay for dates.

At any rate, the sex tourism laws should be of interest to anyone concerned about freedom of international travel. And boylovers, even those who have no interest in becoming a sex tourist, should be concerned about freedom of international travel, because they might want to at some point get out from under the U.S. government's thumb. An example would be if they were to get in trouble in the U.S. for the type of relationship that you would consider to involve boylove, and then want to expatriate to someplace with less stringent restrictions on convicted sex offenders. They might want to do this just for the sake of being allowed to, say, use social media and exercise other freedoms that non-sex offenders take for granted.

As DEAD END: The International Megan's Law's Assault on Everyone's Freedom of Travel notes, Interpol "has already played a role in intercepting American sex offenders in Europe and Asia who simply 'got out of Dodge' and failed to re-register, enabling countries which previously would not have known they had crossed their borders to identify them immediately and to arrest them for extradition back to the 'land of freedom'. . . . It seems safe to say that sex offenders have no underground railway through which to flee an often miserable existence."

To defend our own freedom, often we have to defend the freedom of those we would consider scoundrels. If there is what some might consider exploitation (e.g. child prostitution) going on in other countries, we have to consider, do we want to get the legislatures, police, and courts involved in stopping it, or would that do more harm than good to freedom? I would say, the solution is to allow children to freely immigrate to first world countries such as the U.S., where they will have more avenues for escaping poverty. We need to address these issues rather than simply ignoring them, because the opponents of liberty have their own ideas in mind for addressing them, and those plans, if implemented, will end up hurting us. They operate in an opportunistic way, looking for crises that provide an excuse to impose more restrictions on freedom. Lysander (talk) 20:35, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Maybe it is that you need to add more to the articles on what you just said as to why it is relevant as well as addressing the issues with boys rights to self determination and right to choose etc... because if I am not understanding this, you can bet that no one else is either --Etenne (talk) 20:47, 27 March 2015 (UTC)