User talk:User4

Also when you have questions about editing add to your user talk page. It's better:) --Etenne 14:58, 27 February 2014 (GMT)

Please see: http://en.boywiki.org/wiki/Category_talk:Encyclopedia

user4

Lets talk here. Use the user page just for discussing article content.

Some of this will become apparent to you as you get better at this video game:)

Connor set up the BoyWiki:Agora but I have never used it since no one ever wants to talk to me:)

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I don't want to talk to you, I want to fuck mess with you a little, and get this place working. ;- )

I mean, I'm a "quick study" (have you noticed?) but for others trying to edit here, I can see them giving up pretty quickly. :- (

So, what's with the http://en.boywiki.org/wiki/Category_talk:Encyclopedia index? I don't want to waste my time (like it's so valuable, you know)

user4

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I have BoyWiki set up in zones. Therefore Acolyte Press‎ is in Index > Entertainment > Literature > Publishing houses

So how come this page does not show up in:

https://en.boywiki.org/wiki/Category:Encyclopedia

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It's in Category:Publishing houses

That come to something I was just about to tell you. When adding pages from Newgon, you need to edit the categories at the bottom of the page and add it to the correct BoyWiki category. Our categories are different than theirs. Once you have been doing this for a while, it will become second nature to you. A year and a half ago, I had never even seen a wiki before:)

--Etenne 14:52, 27 February 2014 (GMT)

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Uh... uh... uh...

Etenne - folks come here without knowing much about the wiki. I seriously doubt that someone is going to search through all available categories when they want fast info. They will start with the encyclopedia. If they don't find what they are looking for, they will leave. I suggest that a way should be found that entries appear in the encyclopedia as well as in whatever minor category they also may belong in.

"Common sense is an uncommon commodity." -- some famous guy, maybe M. Twain

user4

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That's what the search function is for:) Everything can't be in one category. The bigger the wiki gets the more and more specialized each category gets. Ref: go look at how Wikipedia is set up.

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We are not Wikipedia, with millions of articles. With luck, we will have a few thousand (and that's with a lot of luck!) I strongly feel we need a central index - people are not always smart enough to search correctly. You saw Kristofor's response? (Thanks for advising him.) He doesn't know how to search archive.org - the posts didn't "magically become available again when they weren't a month ago" - no, they were there all along. But I did the search correctly.

As for BoyWiki, please see: http://www.newgon.com/wiki/Category:Official_Encyclopedia ... with 360 pages. It is quite manageable - even if there were 2000 entries it still would be manageable. And clear, and easy. So could be BoyWiki, couldn't it?

"Redundancy provides for a variety of access, as well as merely being redundant." - Dept. of Redundancy Dept.

user4

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I don't have a problem if you want to add a category like that, so long as everything is organized. When the upgrade happens, we will be able to do more because we will have collapsible categories like Newgon.

--Etenne 16:03, 27 February 2014 (GMT)

Yeah, if you get CategoryTree. Leucosticte 03:26, 27 March 2014 (GMT)

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Editing an article - easy! Adding an article - hmm, took me a minute to figure out. Adding a category - uh... I guess I could figure it out, but how about a hint? ;- )

user4

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at the bottom of an article you see [[Category:Category name]] that adds it to that category.

To make a New category you just add the [[Category: new category name]] to the bottom of a page ( then every page on BoyWiki that you want added to that category.) The new category will appear as a red link so you have to go to that page and hit save. All so add {{CH}} which adds the category header:)You add the category description in the same way as you would add text to a page.

--Etenne 16:20, 27 February 2014 (GMT)

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Thanks. I'm going to take a break for awhile, and do something different. Like eat. Maybe even sleep. After all, I do have to follow the doctor's orders, and do those stupid things sometimes.

So, see ya later.

--user4

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Let me know which pages you no longer need (or plan to use) and I will delete them.

Etenne 11:03, 21 March 2014 (GMT)

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User4 account

I created an account, User4, for you over at CW. Let me know what password you would like to use. Thanks, Leucosticte 05:27, 26 March 2014 (GMT)

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@ Leucosticte

OK. No problem.

@ Etenne

I'll let you know.

Patience is a virtue.  :- )

User4 05:56, 26 March 2014 (GMT)

Images

I've been thinking of how to set up a system for uploading images to sites like these, without requiring people to email the images to someone. Maybe an image escrow system could be set up in which the images can't be viewed until they've been approved by a sysop. It seems like I saw an extension that did that; however, I tried to find it and got lost in the matrix. Leucosticte (talk) 09:53, 5 April 2014 (CEST)

Maybe this?

https://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/PmWiki/Uploads

Or a google search would find the information?

https://www.google.de/search?q=wiki+images+restrict+upload+template&btnG=Suche&hl=de&gbv=1

(Sorry - I really don't understand this stuff yet - maybe the above is irrelevant.)

User4 (talk) 10:31, 5 April 2014 (CEST)

PmWiki is a whole different wiki software. Yeah, I did a keyword search for "image" on the matrix, then went halfway through with a search for "file" and then went to bed, so there's still more poking through the matrix to do, plus I can search the extension namespace. Leucosticte (talk) 18:12, 5 April 2014 (CEST)

ChildWiki

Hey User4, I took down ChildWiki but I still have a copy on my localhost. If there's any content you need to retrieve, let me know. Or I can do a dump of the whole database and give that to you. Thanks. Leucosticte (talk) 20:43, 13 July 2014 (CEST)

note to self

It's very easy to make some words **bold** and other words *italic*. You can even [link to Google!](http://google.com)

It's very easy to make some words **bold** and other words *italic* with Markdown. You can even [link to Google!](http://google.com)

[code]

1. This is an

   tag

[nowiki]## This is an

Anti-gay quote

There's a quote somewhere, by David Thorstad or someone, saying that in this day and age, he almost feels like being anti-gay, because of how the gay rights movement is acting. It was a line in an essay or email or something. Have you ever seen it? Thanks, Leucosticte (talk) 01:58, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Uh, yes. Somewhere. And I have a copy on disk, I'm almost sure. Somewhere...

Ah, but where? Searching my saved materials for the keyword "Thorstad" will give thousand of hits. Hoo, boy...

My FireFox is maxed out at the moment (it's using half a gig of my computer memory, and my CPU is going crazy with all the other processes running... Have you tried googling:

Thorstad ashamed gay rights

OR

Thorstad gay rights site:nambla.org

OR

Thorstad ashamed gay rights site:nambla.org

... or something along that line?

I really wouldn't mind helping, but my computer is super maxed-out at the moment...

If you can wait a few days, I can work by "google search magic" when I am forced to reboot because my Windows (as it will) goes crazy, and try to find it for you.

Aw, fuck it! I did the googling myself. Now my cursor is acting all funny - lack of memory...

Anyway, maybe what you want is here:

http://www.nambla.org/tom_reeves_writings.html

Search the page for "gay rights"...

Hoo, boy... there goes a little more of my RAM to FireFox... Sheesh!

RE: COPY OF CHILDWIKI

I can't access Google Docs. And, as you say, without a running Wiki installation, it is probably worthless. If you can, I suggest you put the wiki up somewhere temporarily, then run some website-downloader program -- Windows Website Downloader comes to mind, but there are others -- and save a copy of the wiki to disk. This makes browsing the wiki really easy. It's great!

BTW - Nice to see you back at BoyWiki! When I have the time, I'd like to make some suggestions about BW improvements...

User4 (talk) 03:28, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

If I'd known you'd be coming back, I might have kept ChildWiki up. Leucosticte (talk) 03:48, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Hmm... That's a shame. Well, I'm back (but it is hard to say for how long - I cannot easily work using a public Internet connection, and my current connection could vanish as it did before).

Have you considered talking to the Free Spirit committee about hosting your wiki? Etenne can probably give details on that. User4 (talk) 04:54, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Does Free Spirits care about girllove at all? If not, it seems kinda pointless. Leucosticte (talk) 05:31, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Categories

I created Category:Scientific literature‎ for you which is a sub-category under literature. You are free to create any sub-categories you like so long as you think you will have enough entries to populate them.

It just a question of adding {{CH}} to the page and adding the new sub-category to the main category where it belongs and hitting save. --Etenne (talk) 13:55, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I have to "digest" (figure out) what your instructions mean. I'll do that just as soon as I finish editing a half-dozen or so books for upload, some articles for an important major organization, some research deep in archive.org, fixing my junktest articles, cleaning my apartment, fixing my new bicycle, and a few hundred other things that I am in the middle of. I promise. Really. I will. OK? ;-) User4 (talk) 14:43, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

I think if you go to a Category page (i.e.Category:Scientific literature) and hit edit and look at what's there, it will be pretty self-evident as to what you need to add. --Etenne (talk) 15:05, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes, now I see how it works. Of course, will my memory serve me when I need it? I've jumped into water a bit deep here, with learning all this wiki coding, and find myself floundering at times. (No - I am not waving to you, I'm drowning!!!) User4 (talk) 05:22, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

List of ChildWiki pages that you edited

I can send you an XML file of these if you want. If there are some here you think would be suitable for inclusion at BoyWiki, feel free to give me that list, and I can send Etenne the XML file for import, if he's interested. Leucosticte (talk) 16:09, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Can you explain to me how to import a file? I am not sure I have the level of access to do that.--Etenne (talk) 16:38, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Do you have access to Special:Import? Leucosticte (talk) 16:40, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes I seem to, I have never needed to use that before so I guess we can give it a try and see if it works --Etenne (talk) 16:48, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, usually sysops have access to it. So now the question is what you want to import. The articles above are only about 1/20th of ChildWiki's content, most of which came from BoyWiki and Newgon Wiki. Leucosticte (talk) 16:55, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

On Second thought, I need to run this by the Wiki council before I do anything... just to make sure they agree. --Etenne (talk) 17:03, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Imports are pretty easily reversible. You just delete whatever pages you decide you don't want. Leucosticte (talk) 18:26, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

List of ChildWiki pages that you edited (redux)

I can send you an XML file of these if you want. If there are some here you think would be suitable for inclusion at BoyWiki, feel free to give me that list, and I can send Etenne the XML file for import, if he's interested.

Leucosticte (talk) 16:09, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Boy -- that was a shock on viewing this page! ;-)

I'd be especially interested in the following:

[LONG LIST OF FILE NAMES REDACTED]

The others I don't really remember... maybe the edits were not so important?

I have indicated the ones I do remember, which are probably the most important ones.

Or maybe you could just zip all the articles I edited, and upload them somewhere?

Anyway, thanks much!User4 (talk) 16:45, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

"upload them somewhere" Where would "somewhere" be? I put the XML file at https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByRJqeihfvXnVEpvVlUtbS1uYlk/view Leucosticte (talk) 17:01, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Are you familiar with anonfiles.com? User4 (talk) 17:45, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

So then, try https://anonfiles.com/file/c6fe5c982563605ce3ccdd4e6704d717 Leucosticte (talk) 18:29, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Got it! Great! I loaded it into OOO writer - it looks good.

But can this be loaded into some other front-end app, Okawix, or something similar, so the format is better preserved? Or perhaps it can be exported in a different format? User4 (talk) 01:37, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

XML is pretty much all we have. Leucosticte (talk) 05:24, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Cathartes

See also User:Leucosticte/Cathartes-edited ChildWiki pages (Cathartes, aka Research Psychologist, aka Individualist of the Steppe, was the actual user #4 on ChildWiki). He had a rather unique perspective. Leucosticte (talk) 16:59, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I'm sure he had a quite unique perspective! At least, judging by his edits... User4 (talk) 17:08, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

I think once he realized I knew he was Research Psychologist, he split. Leucosticte (talk) 17:26, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Hmm... Maybe he used CW as a catharsis? Or perhaps he was schizophrenic? (That would explain him splitting...) He must have had a lot of gaul, or hated things gothic... User4 (talk) 17:47, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Well, the sky is reddening in the East, and my doctor advised me to get at least 8 hours of sleep per week, so I gotta go... Catch your reply later. Aloha ʻOe... User4 (talk) 17:53, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Law

Just a thought but you now likely have enough entries now that you could start a new sub-category under Encyclopedia for stuff pertaining to law and important legal cases. Also, I like adding this graphic to those pages but that is just my preference and not a mandate. --Etenne (talk) 12:04, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Funny, but you just "read my mind"... I lack confidence introducing new categories here... but now, regarding Law, the question is moot. ;-) I'll add some more stuff, then a category (when I have -- you guessed it -- the TIME... User4 (talk) 04:54, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Also on a side note, I know sometime I may come across as more critical when I intend to be helpful but I just want you to understand also that I appreciate very much the work you have been putting into BoyWiki lately. --Etenne (talk) 17:16, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

+1. Leucosticte (talk) 17:17, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

No probs, dude(s). Constructive criticism is (almost) always welcome. ;-)

RE: Working here

BoyWiki is one of the few places on the Internet where we can speak our piece, and I'm just taking advantage of that opportunity. I just wish that others in the past had done so more frequently, especially competent and informed BoyLovers. They seem to be a rare breed. Actually, part of the problem has been that many BLs may indeed be competent and informed, but they tend to lack "street smarts", and so they end up "doing time". The "Powers That Be" don't seem to appreciate "constructive criticism" from BLs... :-( User4 (talk) 04:54, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Hmm... Was Etenne's "side note" really about the work that work that Leucosticte has put in on legal articles? The comment is under the "Law" section, but I assumed Etenne meant the articles I've been doing on Psychology. But perhaps not. (In which case, Leucosticte, you just patted yourself on the back, while I was left standing on the pier, shuffling my feet and mumbling to myself, while the boat sailed without me.) User4 (talk) 17:57, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

You shouldn't feel that way at all. I appreciate the work that both you and Leucosticte do on BoyWiki... I am just bad at saying it... please consider it as always being implied:) --Etenne (talk) 18:11, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Kewl, dude :-) And mwaaaah! I love you too.User4 (talk) 18:47, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Developer

You should probably become a MediaWiki developer; it seems like you have a lot of ideas, and doing the coding yourself is usually the only way to get them implemented. Scope this out. Leucosticte (talk) 20:34, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Great idea! But there are two problems: time, and priorities. I've got what are probably much more important things to complete at the moment -- great books being prepared for upload, etc. -- and I don't have time for everything! My bad... User4 (talk) 20:39, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Allocution

Where I'm going with this article is that I want to answer the question, what should a person about to be sentenced for consensual adult-child sex, or child pornography distribution, or other victimless crimes say when his opportunity for allocution arrives? Should he speak in mitigation? Should he be defiant? Should he express remorse?

I've been in that situation before, sort of. I was already on supervised release, and I was summoned to court for a revocation hearing because I had corresponded with two prisoners, in violation of the requirement that I not associate with convicted felons. I admitted I was guilty, and then had an opportunity to address the court. I chose to apologize for the violation, even though I felt I'd done nothing wrong. The sentencing guidelines called for a 4-10 month sentence, the statute called for a 0-24 month sentence, and I ended up getting 10 months.

It always bothered me, though, that by apologizing, I essentially spoke against my values, by saying that I believed what I did was worthy of apology and therefore wrong. I kinda reminded me of Schrödinger's Confession to the Führer, which he too came to regret. Also, if you admit that what you did was wrong, you are essentially acknowledging the court has reason to punish you, ironically. Lysander (talk) 05:55, 8 March 2015 (UTC)