Talk:Pro-pedo activists who have "become turncoats"

User4, can you write an introductory sentence or paragraph to the article explaining what you mean by "turncoated"? That's not even a word, by the way. Thanks, Lysander (talk) 00:05, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Not a word? What dictionary do you use? Mine (the Oxford English Dictionary v4.0.0.3 Portable) gives the following examples:

c 1645 Howell Lett. (1650) III. xxi. 33 Translations are but as *turn-coated things at best, specially among languages that have advantages one of the other.

1624 Bp. R. Montagu Immed. Addr. A j b, To take notice of his dealing,‥in his *turne-coating from side to side. 1965 National Observer (U.S.) 11 Jan. 2 He told Mr. Watson he didn't ‘think much of turncoating’ when Mr. Watson announced for the House in 1962.

1841 Hampden in Some Mem. (1871) 132 Apologising for his *turn-coaterie, saying, that those who now brought in the new Government would as soon turn them out if they came forward with the proposal of a fixed duty.

1889 W. Roberts in N. & Q. 7th Ser. VII. 41/1 The most barefaced and flagrant *turncoatism.

1892 Pall Mall G. 4 July 3/1 Whichever way I've voted, One or the other's sure to swear that I've *turn-coated.

(Careful when you argue semantics with someone who edits dictionaries and encyclopedia for fun... User4 (talk) 02:18, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Broadening the scope

What about politicians and organizations that were pro-pedo and then turned? E.g. Jürgen Trittin and ILGA. Lysander (talk) 00:22, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Did a little on the ILGA. No time for anything else. Why don't you add the Jürgen Trittin stuff? User4 (talk) 02:18, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Cuz it's outside the scope of the article, since he wasn't an activist. I'm wondering how the article title might be changed to make the scope broad enough to include him, though. I guess we could change "activists" to "people". Lysander (talk) 02:22, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Why did you rename the article?

I strongly disagree with your renaming of the article which I created. User4 (talk) 02:30, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

We can have two articles if it's that big of a deal. Pro-pedo activists who have "become turncoats" and Pro-pedo people, other than activists, who have "become turncoats". Lysander (talk) 02:53, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

I said,

"I strongly disagree with your renaming of the article which I created."

I think you should discuss it with the "owner" of the article (the creator) first before making a major change like that. I understand that that is Wikipedia's policy on the matter, as well. User4 (talk) 03:17, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

What about wikipedia:Wikipedia:Ownership of articles? Lysander (talk) 03:37, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

My understanding of Wikipedia's policy is that for newly created articles, or articles which have been mainly worked on by one person, that -- out of respect -- any contemplated major edits by another editor should be discussed first with whomever was the creator/main contributor to the article. Yes, over time -- and a number of edits -- then the "right" to an article passes into a kind of "public domain". But until that happens others should not make major changes to a page without consulting with the originator of the page first. You have never seen that stated on talk pages on Wikipedia? User4 (talk) 03:46, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Nope, I've never seen that. Anyway, if you don't like a page move, you can always move it back. Lysander (talk) 03:58, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Hmm... I'm surprised you haven't seen that. I have. Oh, and about moving pages -- now I get it. First, you move it. Then I move it back. Then you move it again, then I move it back again, then you move it again. Then I... Hmm... sounds like great fun! User4 (talk) 04:21, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Exactly! Just make sure that you don't get caught with the page title at the one I chose when the music (I recommend George Thorogood as the soundtrack) stops, or you lose. A good tactic might be to wait until the moment right before the end of the game, and then move the page, so that you might catch me unawares, or at any rate I might have to scramble to try to move it back in time.

Maybe we can turn this into a drinking game. The loser of the first round has to drink one bourbon; the loser of the second round has to drink one scotch; and the loser of the third round has to drink one beer. Lysander (talk) 05:39, 25 March 2015 (UTC)