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From <i>[[Homosexuality]] in [[Ancient Greece|Greece]] and [[Ancient Rome|Rome]]: A Sourcebook of Basic Documents</i>, edited by Thomas K. Hubbard (Berkeley: University of California Press, 2003). Footnote omitted.
 
<b>Note:</b> <i>In the original ancient Greek text of this poem by [[Straton of Sardis|Strato]], the first age of his preferred time-span for </i>[[Eromenos|eromenoi]]<i> is given by the term δωδεκέτους, a masculine adjective meaning "twelve years old";</i><ref>https://lsj.gr/wiki/%CE%B4%CF%89%CE%B4%CE%B5%CE%BA%CE%AD%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%82</ref><i> the word used for the second age is τρισκαιδεκέτης, a masculine noun signifying "thirteen years old";</i><ref>http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=triskaideke%2Fths&la=greek&can=triskaideke%2Fths0&d=Perseus:text:1999.04.0058:entry=triskaideke/ths&i=1</ref><i> the expression given for the third age, δὶς ἑπτὰ, means "twice seven",</i><ref>https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%B4%CE%AF%CF%82</ref><ref>https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BC%91%CF%80%CF%84%CE%AC</ref><i> hence "fourteen"; and the expression used for the fourth age, τρίτης πεντάδος, signifies "third pentad",</i><ref>https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CF%84%CF%81%CE%AF%CF%84%CE%BF%CF%82</ref><ref>https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CF%80%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CE%AC%CF%82</ref><i> hence "fifteen". The terms given for the fifth and sixth ages are both ordinal adjectives: ἑξεπικαιδέκατον, meaning "sixteenth";</i><ref>https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%B5%CC%94%CE%BA%CE%BA%CE%B1%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%B5%CC%81%CE%BA%CE%B1%CF%84%CE%BF%CF%82</ref><i> and ἑβδόματον δὲ καὶ δέκατον, signifying "seventh and tenth",</i><ref>https://hellas.bab2min.pe.kr/hk/ebdomatos?l=en </ref><ref>https://hellas.bab2min.pe.kr/hk/dekatos?l=en&form=de/katon&q=de%2Fkaton</ref><i> hence "seventeenth". While the presence of ordinal numerals could theoretically suggest the use of inclusive counting (by which the </i>sixteenth<i> year would be equivalent to age fifteen, and the </i>seventeenth<i> year to age sixteen), according to W. S. Barrett, although the practice was customary in ancient Greece, its application was not without discrepancies; for example, a switching of counting methods occurs in Strophe 3 of "Olympian Ode 8" by Pindar, in which exclusive reckoning is used when pertaining to the </i>first<i> generation of Aeacus' descendants, whereas inclusive reckoning is applied instead when mentioning the </i>fourth<i> generation (i. e., his great-grandsons).</i><ref>W. S. Barrett, <i>Greek Lyric, Tragedy, and Textual Criticism: Collected Papers</i>, ed. M. L. West (Oxford; New York: Oxford University Press, 2007), pp. 159–160.</ref>
 
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<i>Strato wrote during the time of the Roman emperor [[Hadrian]] (117–38 C.E.) and compiled a collection of his own and earlier poets’ [[Pederasty in ancient Greece|pederastic]] epigrams.</i>
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<center><b>6.60</b> Strato, <i>AP</i> 12.4</center>
 
I delight in the prime of a twelve-year-old,<br>
But thirteen is more desirable than this.<br>
He who masters twice seven has a sweeter flower of Love;<br>
The one beginning thrice five is more delightful still.<br>
The sixteenth is the year of the gods; the seventeenth<br>
Is not for me to seek, but for [[Zeus (mythology)|Zeus]].<br>
But if one has desire for those yet older, no longer does he play,<br>
But he now seeks the one “answering him back.”
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==References==
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==See also==
*[[Puerilities: Erotic Epigrams of "The Greek Anthology" (book)]]
*[[Adult friend (dictionary)]]
*[[Age of attraction (dictionary)]]
*[[Boylove]]
*[[Catamite]]
*[[Ephebophilia]]
*[[Erastes]]
*[[Greek love]]
*[[Historical boylove relationships in ancient Greece]]
*[[Historical boylove relationships in ancient Rome]]
*[[Loved boy (dictionary)]]
*[[Minor-attracted person (dictionary)]]
*[[Pedophilia]]
*[[Philosophy of ancient Greek pederasty]]
*[[Young friend (dictionary)]]
 
==External links==
*[https://greek-love.com/antiquity/ancient-texts/the-boyish-muse/straton THE EPIGRAMS OF STRATON OF SARDIS (Greek Love Through the Ages)]
*[https://greek-love.com/antiquity/ancient-texts/the-boyish-muse/miscellaneous-poems-of-the-imperial-roman-era MISCELLANEOUS GREEK EPIGRAMS OF THE IMPERIAL ROMAN ERA (Greek Love Through the Ages)]
*[https://greek-love.com/antiquity/greek-practices/pursuit-and-flight-by-sir-kenneth-dover <i>PURSUIT AND FLIGHT</i> BY SIR KENNETH DOVER (Greek Love Through the Ages)]
*[https://greek-love.com/antiquity/greek-practices/greeks-pedicate-loved-boys-pederasty DID THE GREEKS PEDICATE THEIR LOVED BOYS? (Greek Love Through the Ages)]
 
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A beardless youth engaging in anal sex with a boy. Warren Cup. Roman silver goblet with relief decoration of homoerotic scenes, ca. 15 BC–15 AD. Said to be from Bittir (ancient Bethther), near Jerusalem. London, British Museum, 1999,0426.1.


From Homosexuality in Greece and Rome: A Sourcebook of Basic Documents, edited by Thomas K. Hubbard (Berkeley: University of California Press, 2003). Footnote omitted.

Note: In the original ancient Greek text of this poem by Strato, the first age of his preferred time-span for eromenoi is given by the term δωδεκέτους, a masculine adjective meaning "twelve years old";[1] the word used for the second age is τρισκαιδεκέτης, a masculine noun signifying "thirteen years old";[2] the expression given for the third age, δὶς ἑπτὰ, means "twice seven",[3][4] hence "fourteen"; and the expression used for the fourth age, τρίτης πεντάδος, signifies "third pentad",[5][6] hence "fifteen". The terms given for the fifth and sixth ages are both ordinal adjectives: ἑξεπικαιδέκατον, meaning "sixteenth";[7] and ἑβδόματον δὲ καὶ δέκατον, signifying "seventh and tenth",[8][9] hence "seventeenth". While the presence of ordinal numerals could theoretically suggest the use of inclusive counting (by which the sixteenth year would be equivalent to age fifteen, and the seventeenth year to age sixteen), according to W. S. Barrett, although the practice was customary in ancient Greece, its application was not without discrepancies; for example, a switching of counting methods occurs in Strophe 3 of "Olympian Ode 8" by Pindar, in which exclusive reckoning is used when pertaining to the first generation of Aeacus' descendants, whereas inclusive reckoning is applied instead when mentioning the fourth generation (i. e., his great-grandsons).[10]

Strato wrote during the time of the Roman emperor Hadrian (117–38 C.E.) and compiled a collection of his own and earlier poets’ pederastic epigrams.

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6.60 Strato, AP 12.4

I delight in the prime of a twelve-year-old,
But thirteen is more desirable than this.
He who masters twice seven has a sweeter flower of Love;
The one beginning thrice five is more delightful still.
The sixteenth is the year of the gods; the seventeenth
Is not for me to seek, but for Zeus.
But if one has desire for those yet older, no longer does he play,
But he now seeks the one “answering him back.”


A bearded man engaging in anal sex with a beardless youth. Warren Cup. Roman silver goblet with relief decoration of homoerotic scenes, ca. 15 BC–15 AD. Said to be from Bittir (ancient Bethther), near Jerusalem. London, British Museum, 1999,0426.1.

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